Why is it that I STILL equate DSM with Eagle Talons! LOL!!

I'm on the tuning side of the business. I'd say 2/3 of the guys (they're all guys) who tune their cars are OK. They're drawn by the speed or they've out-grown their sportbikes or whatever. A full third are compensators around 5' tall.

I'll second that. I'd even say that these cars exist solely to serve the egos of under-endowed men, but Tony Kanaan and Graham Rahal both bought one, and they have balls of steel so ... I dunno. Just not for me, I guess. I still prefer a little subtlety.

No lie: I learned to drive in a Renault 5. It caught fire.

This. The Saturn Ion.

I think that's some weird class record, because it's 100 mph slower than the Ohio State Buckeye Bullett ... http://gas2.org/2010/08/26/buc…

Seriously, though, it is the world's bitchin'est golf cart.

Exactly right. Tym Sr.'s been making us learn these.

JoeBryant wins.

It does.

Sweet Lord baby Jesus! Yes x 1000!

The other alternative is that each brand is focusing on its strengths, and Dodge is being set up as a budget/muscle-car brand. Further, it was always stupid to offer the same van in two or three flavors.

Little known fact: the MT900 was entirely designed on a 3D CADD system, and was one of the first production cars to be designed in this way. Unigraphics and GM were both involved, and the designer (Rod Trenne, the "T" in MT ...) made sure he could store his road bicycle in the car. SO ... that will fit.

This. Despite its sporty handling and retro-styling, nothing says "My daddy is buying me a car 4 graduation! I don't care! LOL!" quite like a Mini Cooper. Make it a standard version for spoiled coeds who don't care a bit about cars and have no personality, a convertible for spoiled coeds who don't care a bit about…

No one is saying that. My point is that the people behind these iconic cars used the best materials and technology at their disposal. They were not artists, and rarely saw themselves as such (the ones that did were/are jackasses, anyway). Cars aren't art. Not when they're just sitting there in museums or being…

Never was. From the earliest days of stock-car racing, they ran lightened bodies, modded engines, high-octane fuel, shaved tires, and hollow floors (you know, for moonshine). It was awesome.

Son, ain't nothing stock about a stock car. ;)

... and it was slower than the longtail non-factory versions that pushed the factory to go to a longtail, long-nose body.

I agree ... but wouldn't you smile more if it had a CBR bike engine in it that revved to 14000 rpm? I would.

Yes. They should be left alone ... after Singer is done with them.