No they’re not, you illiterate halfwit.

Yeah, that’s how it’s supposed to work. An allegation is made, it goes before the Ethics Committee. This is not a revelation.

These counters are legit, both on the “you’re supposed to talk about it first but sometimes don’t” and the “actors go over the top during the show” counts. And when you combine those two things, especially in scenes with a sexual element to them, then things get really messy.

I think it should go to the Ethics Committee - hardly a justification or an excuse. And my motivation would be going beyond the usual trial-by-media pattern we’ve established.

I feel like she begged off the rehearsal, but her real motivation was begging off the kiss. Unfortunately sometimes when motivations aren’t made clear, shit like this happens. Though I do agree he seems like a jerk in this instance, and I have the same vibe about his humor - one of the things that struck me about this…

The kiss bothers me far, far less than the photo.

It matters. Legally, it matters. Criminally, it matters. Emotionally for the woman involved, it matters.

His hands are touching her. So yes.

Yeah, I have no idea what to do with the tonguey stage kiss. Problem is so much of it has to do with personal preference.

I have to admit I’m fascinated that Roger Stone appeared to know about this scoop well in advance.

You appear to think “free pass” means something other than what it actually means. This may be the root of your frustration in not being understood.

I think the part that resonates most for me here is the concern about escalation and a pattern, and it’s what I’ve seen elsewhere too.

That’s not what I’m reading. I see that he said “we need to rehearse the kiss” (in any theatre scenario, this is true - not for perv reasons, for actual blocking and coordination reasons). She tried to brush it off, and he insisted. She acquiesced, and then when they got to the kiss she thought he went overboard…

Again, what did Moore claim was embellishment?

Basically, he didn’t allow her her opinion on what was going to happen or ask her why she didn’t want to rehearse the kiss. He just grabbed her and stuck his tongue in her mouth.

He doesn’t get an ok because he didn’t touch her, but some seem to think so. We don’t know that he didn’t touch her either.

What did Moore say was being embellished again?

Not very helpful, your constructive criticism could do with some work -care to contextualize calling me an apologist hypocrite?

You dont use a stage kiss to stick your tounge in a person’s mouth

I think it’s ridiculous that we would litigate this stuff through the media. The only facts I know are the ones the media sends my way, and to be honest the number of male bylines on Franken stories alleging groping make me skeptical that they understand the difference between “degradingly photographed as the butt of…