I’d expect a 4,000+ lb verhicle with 180hp to be slow.

That 180hp version must be incredibly slow from lights and merging onto highways.

Kia sells “luxury” cars and so does Bentley... If you agree with the rest then there is nothing more to say. Also there are people saying it doesn’t compete with the 3 Germans and it isn’t a luxury brand.

Volvo is an as equal a competitor as Cadillac is. Did you look at the C&D comparison I posted or are you just being a dick? They just don’t have cars for the V, AMG, M, or RS cars.

Would you look at that? Motortrend also put Volvo in a test with Merc, BMW, Audi, and Cadillac.

It has beat every car in its class in tests except the Q7. That is a straight fact and you can’t respond to it with “it hasn’t”.

Yeahand most people don’t think Toyota GT86 when they see a FRS or BRZ, but that is the case. Most people don’t think a Grand Cherokee uses a ML chassis. What people think doesn’t change that the XC90 and Volvo’s cars are luxury competitors. The S60 was compared to a S4, 335i, ATS and C class. Just because they don’t…

Volvo is a BMW, Mercedes and Audi competitor. Just because your friend doesn’t know that doesn’t change anything. Sure Audi could ask for more money, but the S60 is a 3er, A4, and C class competitor. The XC90 is a ML (GLE now), X5, and Q7 competitor.

On looks a lone the M2 looks like dog shit compared to the new TT RS and the new Cayman.

I’d say because Volvo is a luxury brand and VW isn’t. Audi can have a big SUV close in price to the XC90.

Interesting... I find it to be the best looking TT by a large margin.

Agreed, if she moves I wouldn’t shed a tear. She sounds like all those idiots who claim they’d move to Canada if Obama got elected. 99% of them are still here.

Can we get links for bigger versions of this for wallpapers?

The California T or 570S

It depends on what you are driving for, but I never said fun only means fast lap times. You should go back and read. Some people have fun with modifying their cars to beat times. I don’t, but that’s cool for them.

Cool story man. That doesn’t really mean a lot in the grand scheme of modern sports cars using tires bigger than a prius or gt86.

If you want to be technical the correct term is a pony car, but a modern Camaro is a sports car. Go get some info on cars in places that are not Jalopnik. It’ll help.

How long ago was that? The current WRX is on WAY bigger tires.

The Civic Si isn’t a sports car.

I didn’t say it wasn’t fun.

Absolutely wrong. The 3 series runs bigger tires than the 215s on the GT86. Also the 3 series isn’t a sports car.

Hahahaha you don’t think a Camaro, Corvette, 991, or the AMG GT are sports cars? Yeah definitely go sit down somewhere.