The thing about the BRZ/86 and it being deemed “slow” is that we live in a world where a V6 Camry hits 60 in 5.6-6.0 seconds and has 300 HP. So, people have a hard time coming to terms with paying for the BRZ/86 when the same amount of money buys a Miata with 181 HP that hits 60 in 5.7 seconds and is every bit as good…

This. You actually know how math works. 

You’re trying to talk economics of car buying, without even addressing the other parts of this problem. What about more expensive and likely and frequent repairs needed in older cars? What about the inherent added risk in driving an older, less safe car when driving is the most dangerous thing we all do every day?

This. A modern Corolla (and any of its competitors) has automatic climate control, heated seats, bluetooth, is 5 star safe, gets probably close to 40 MPG highway, and requires hardly any maintenance costs beyond the most basic stuff.

Your mom co-signed a car loan at 12% for someone with no steady finances? Holy shit.

The entire concept of a “track” SUV makes no damn sense. As a gearhead, I’m glad a 700 HP ridiculous track SUV exists...but why would you buy it instead of an actual sports car or sports sedan? No matter how good it is, it’s still a 5,000+ pound, tall vehicle that will never track or drive hard as well as a 700 HP…

Stealing a brand new car with a flatbed truck is next level of car theft. Holy shit!

As someone with an A3, the problem with the RS3 is that it is nowhere near as practical as the S4 or M340i. The trunk is tiny (10 cubic feet, or enough for at most two people’s luggage if you pack it like tetris), and the backseat is also tiny (the roof also is too low for anyone over 6 feet tall to fit back there…

Yep. You have to get used to it coming from something else, as it is kind of grabby from a stop, but it’s fine after you get used to rolling onto the throttle. In operation, it’s pretty similar to how you engage the throttle when starting out in first gear with a manual transmission. 

30 year old here. The guy you replied to is completely correct - the executive sedan and SUV buyers are those driving these to the law office, country club, clients, and so on. Conformist, boring, sedate styling is what they want, no question about it.

Yep. A car that is subtle is “boring” and “repetitive” but a car that tries more unique styling is too showboaty or weird.

30 year old here. It costs money to purchase, install, and pay for the maintenance of remote work/meeting software and its requisite security. You have to take time to train employees on how to use it, especially the older and/or less tech literate ones.

And for those wondering how those ship hulls are so far inland - the waterline shifts over time and with changes in wind, weather patterns, and currents. Where those ships are sitting now is where the shoreline was at that time.

This is why I love the nonsensical marketing image of the average truck buyer being some salt of the earth, blue jeans wearing, cheap beer drinking simpleton, when the reality is a brand new half-ton truck with a crew cab is gonna run around $45k after options, minimum. Anything larger and more powerful, and you’re…

The real problem with the car dealership salesmen is that they don’t know jack about what they’re selling in most cases. A person coming in off the street, who reads car magazines/blogs, is going to almost certainly run circles around the salesman about the particular model they are interested in.

You think modern suspensions are bad? Have you driven a car from the 80s or 90s recently? It used to be pulling 0.90 g on a skidpad was sportscar territory, but now we’ve got new Accords and Camrys pulling 0.88g.

I think this is what Carvana and the like (and now CarMax is copying it) are solving - they’ll bring the car to your house for you to test drive.

The dealer industry should all take a field trip to an Apple store.

I did something similar last summer and got an Audi A3 with under 35,000 miles on it for about $19,000, with a CarMax warranty. 14 speaker 700 watt stereo, AWD, 0-60 in 5.4 seconds.