How I interpreted Joan's reaction was that she wanted to dish to Peggy, and instead of hearing, "Yeah, FUCK those assholes!" she got a, "Well, have you tried changing how you present yourself for the benefit of the men in this office? I mean, AWOOOOOGA!" from Peggy. That's why she lashed out and pulled the same…

Yeah, as someone with similarly enormous boobs, simply having boobs does not equal dressing provocatively. It means I have boobs. Her necklines are always way above her cleavage line.

My mother won't watch it either. She says it gives her PTSD flashbacks to working with men in the sixties.

Yep, that was actually Shirley, oops.

That wasn't dawn, that was a girl named Charlene.

skirts are so much more comfortable for me than pants, and dresses mean never having to coordinate tops and bottoms. Dresses are comfort and laziness in one presentable package.

My mother, who is the same age as Sally Draper, was raised by an alcoholic mother and absent father. After she got a degree in electrical engineering she was the only women in an office of 50. She says 'I don't have to watch that show, I lived it, and it was awful'

I thought it was fascinating how quickly the "tools of the patriarchy", as the writer puts it, came surging to the surface between both women. Joan was indeed being a bit bitchy, and so was Peggy. I don't think it would have been possible for them to really take those asshats down in the meeting—they're well aware…

ya my mom won't watch it reminds her of working in the cooperate world in the 80s when this shit was STILL going on.

My mother hates Mad Men because her parents are basically Pete and Betty and it reminds her too much of her WASPily awful childhood.

I also don't think Joan dresses provocative at work. She has a large chest but that's nature. I don't ever recall her showing tons of cleavage and she's always behaved quite professional so I'm not sure why Peggy tried shaming her.

My dad won't watch it either, for similar reasons, though he was only about ten years younger than Don. He says that he finds the show unbearably depressing, and "why would I want to go back there?!" I thought it was interesting he felt that way.

She's so cute, but I just learned that she's a Scientologist.

Did this person really talk smack about the "I can't breathe" t-shirts being worn by the Selma director rubber her the wrong way, and then go on right after that to say she can separate politics from movies?

White people!

I mean, Silver Lining Playbook and Jennifer Lawrences performance was basic AF and it still won a bunch of shit so *shrug*

Wow.

And as far as the accusations about the Academy being racist? Yes, most members are white males, but they are not the cast of Deliverance — they had to get into the Academy to begin with, so they're not cretinous, snaggletoothed hillbillies.

My point is that she said she wasn't going to vote for Selma because she thought it was well-crafted but artless. All she discusses here is its artfulness, and ignores its cultural significance/the significance of a black woman director. Whereas, for other categories she discusses things other than the thing that they…