Because all season tires exists and the work for most people except for maybe a few days per year? I know about snow tires and I’ve never had them. AWD + all season is really all I’ve ever needed. Second option: tires are expensive. People don’t really considered that vs the cost of AWD when buying AWD.

Exactly. AWD still made it with summer tires. For the majority of drivers, the ones that don’t ever buy snow tires, AWD is better.

1. Not really “useless”. He still made it on summer tires.

I agree and on both sides of the income.

With murder you have to prove that it was premeditated. Meaning he would have had to plan to kill to old man. If he punches him without intent for him to die and he happens to die it’s manslaughter /I’m not a lawyer so I could be wrong but I watched law and order once.

Is this a reference to dragon’s penetrating cars?

12 months probation and a $500 fine. For killing someone.

Yeah. Doing some damage with malicious intent, possibly. Touching the car the worst I can imagine is “don’t touch my car dude”.

He punched a 67 year old man. There’s a good chance he would be severely injured.

It’s up to the court but I think it could be manslaughter. You don’t have to intend to kill someone to get manslaughter.

I guess the Bolt isn’t so bad now that I look at it again but it doesn’t make me desire it. They seem to have cleaned it up a little bit from the concept but it still seems like it wants to look like an electric car.

I don’t need anything. I prefer all electric with decent range. I guess maybe it’s just an ideological thing. The Volt just doesn’t “do it” for me.

We could assume the Model 3 at some point. Though I’m not sure if Tesla can hit their quoted price range and it’s pretty common for them to miss delivery dates.

That’s like $100k per year. I guess you could technically swing that but even that seems like a stretch to me if you have an apartment or house and feed yourself. The OP said “average middle class” which puts it more in the 50-70k range.

I’m not a fan of the i3 or leaf really. I just want a somewhat normal looking vehicle that is also electric and has decent range. The new Volt looks decent but it’s not all electric.

In the US you rarely see anyone actually use an SUV to do anything like that.

Only the Tesla Model S has acceptable range and doesn’t look like a clown car. I’m looking at you Bolt. Now if the Model 3 comes in close to the price they stated and doesn’t look ridiculous I will seriously consider it.

Seriously though it’s easier to put a kid in a child seat in a crossover or suv than a sedan. It’s also easier to get out of then rolling your fatass out of a car. It has basically nothing to do with offroading and that’s ok with (so take my jalop card).

but we can’t be millennials because we hate millennials /s

“mil·len·nial: a person reaching young adulthood around the year 2000”