First, the F-35 carries AIM-120s internally. Not AIM-9s. Your grasp of the obvious facts remains consistent. I mean, they’re wrong, but they’re consistently so.

I’d be wary of getting to know her. Being superficially charismatic, lying and being unwilling to admit to mistakes in the face of facts are textbook examples of narcissistic personalities.

You’re sounding desperate. Also, really fucking ignorant. None of the things you said are remotely true. For someone who posts on a car site, I LAUGHED at your suggestion that highways are the same thing as your fucking driveway. You know nothing Joest Snow.

I’m getting my info FROM earth. You seem to be pulling figures from your ass.

Why do you feel entitled to be a freeloader on the rest of society? The roads you drive on would not exist without public support. The internet you read this on would not exist without decades of government research grants and subsidies.

Again, cause and effect. All the chips weren’t put into one program. A chunk of the chips were taken away (and the Pentagon was expecting more chips than was reasonable in the first place). The JSF is unique only in that it was able to keep most of its chips.

Yes, son, it’s all yours and everyone is just jealous of how special you are. Now go to bed, it’s 10 o’clock. The grownups have problems to fix.

WHAH! THE EVIL PEOPLE DEDUCTED FROM MAY PAYCHECK! WAHH! MINE!!!!

That $18 trillion means nothing. Literally nothing. America is not broke, nor is it going broke. The proof is in the budget, the bond market, the inflation index, and productivity and demographic measures. There are minor issues, relating to the aging of the population, which we have 20 years to fix. These fixes do…

People bitching about the 0.7% of a program that was wasted rather than considering the value-add of the other 99.3% is the story of every single jackass commenter who has never had to handle a large project in either the public or private sector.

You have cause and effect mixed up. F-35 isn’t crowding anything out. The budget has been squeezed, and the F-35 has been one of a handful of programs which has been least affected.

Because people bitch about the F-35 being too expensive, and the F-22 costs 40% more per unit ($126.1M for F-35A, $207M for F-22A, apples-to-apples, in current year dollars).

F-22 can’t actually do 4x5000. Unfortunately, the outer hardpoints would stress the wing too much at that weight at any reasonable G-load. This is why you NEVER see F-22’s with 4 external tanks, even though it has the plumbing for it.

Actually, scratch the part where the F-22 kinda wins on cost when you cherry pick the data. I didn’t adjust for inflation. $180M in FY2007 dollars (the quoted figure above) is $207M today, so even in the most generous of comparisons, the F-22 is STILL $25 million more than the most expensive F-35.

Christ, you people have such strong opinions on things you know so little about.

Huh? Marines use the same training aircraft as the Navy. In fact, I don’t even think the Marines even own their own basic training ships. They use Navy T-6Bs.

Yeah...the USAF did NOT make the wrong call on that.

Lots of hyperbole and nonsense here.

It is not, and was never, cheaper than the F-35. Tyler links to a General who stated that the last F-22 cost $87 million. That cost, which is well documented, does not include the engines or avionics, which add over $45 million to the cost of an empty airframe. That’s over $130 million all-in (closer to $140 million…

The F-22 was by many accounts on the verge of a cost breakthrough that would have sent its unit cost plunging well below the $100 million line. Gates later said: