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Gleamed from the cube, no doubt.

They always are.

Just this am I had a long discussion online with a friend who gleamed over finishing Atlas Shrugged.. Ugh.

So you’re saying that when he said “too bad”, he meant....

You’ve actually given me a lot to think about here. And I guess that’s why I think it’s important for men to “have a seat at the table” in this discussion. Not because women, like, need me to tell them wrong about how they’re feeling, but in part because there’s no way for men to understand where women are coming from

Lady here, lesbian at that, and agree with everything you’ve said. The burn all men approach unless they are perfect line of reasoning is insane and counterproductive.

I 100 percent grant that women know more about this shit than I do. But the person I listen to most is my wife (a feminist woman of color, for what that’s worth in this conversation), and her responses to the MeToo stuff differs depending on the situation. For example, she thought that the Anzari stuff was overblown,

Yeah, I agree with you. Because identity is important in these conversations: I’m a white, Jewish woman and have been described as a “strident” feminist. But in all of the victim/oppressor conversations happening right now, we seem to expect perfection from any conversant whose multi-faceted identity includes a facet

For what it’s worth I understand what you’re saying, and have been working through this conversation with someone I’m close with. Men aren’t a monolith, and flip dismissal of attempts at progress are liable to push men who were examining their own actions (like Bateman) back to the comfy status quo out of frustration.

I think that is the immediate emotional response, but it rarely plays out that way in the long-term. I don’t know that it’s worth spending any effort trying to convince others that they are being unfair or overly harsh (particularly when that can be perceived as gaslighting, which is one of the offending behaviors in

I’ve heard people are totally ready to cancel Bateman since his apology. I feel like we are failing to distinguish between the men who commit sexual assault and the rest of the male population.

“I was so busy maintaining the status quo that I forgot to remember that women matter.”

This. Plus, what gave her the right to walk up and ruin brunch for everyone else?

And oh look, it’s another white person who doesn’t understand that the right to free speech doesn’t give you the right to say whatever the fuck you want with zero consequences.

I like that he doesn’t say Thoughts and Prayers but instead says Love and Support, as if the conservative machine realizes that T&P has become a laughingstock, but isn’t prescient (or even scient) enough to understand that Love and Support isn’t even trying to rebrand the same tired idea.

They aren’t even fucking

It sort of bothers me when people don’t allow others to grow with their art. Maybe it’s nieve thinking but in the age of receipts, people are always quick to point out past nonsense. It makes the growth progress stop to a screeching halt.

You’ve gotta be fucking kidding... he may not have the stereotypically “hot” male body but not everyone who is in shape ends up looking that way. I’m the first to say men don’t get enough shit for their looks compared to women but I applaud DG for being confident and carefree. Man people are so fucking narrow-minded!

Actually, the Anti-Kanye is anybody with access to a library and reasonable reading comprehension.

My take was that the song (pretty okay, really nice pieces to it) is more a vehicle for the video and its statement (a brilliant watershed moment). I wouldn’t have issues hearing the song on its own, but I probably wouldn’t seek it out; yet I’ve already watched the video four or five times in the last 24 hours.

Ahhh body shaming, great job for not adding anything substantive to this conversation! Serving as a bad example but be your highest calling. SMH. Good luck surfing that karma wave!

Glover is talented and when I first heard about Gambino I thought, the guy from Community? I didn’t realize people were making him the anti-Kanye, but if that’s a thing it’s not fair. Both can coexist much like NWA and Public Enemy had much different styles, but they still changed rap and had huge cultural impact.