Until it explodes right in their dumb faces.

I think you mean Patrick, haha. Ultimately, I guess it reflects more poorly on Patrick than Kevin, since Kevin isn't close friends with Agustín, but I can't help thinking that Patrick would have just gone to the event if Kevin wasn't suggesting they be self-indulgent assholes.

No, you're right. Ultimately, it's Patrick's responsibility as a friend to show up. I just thought as a human being and member of the queer community, Kevin was shitty for suggesting they ditch an event to help some of the most vulnerable members of the queer community. At least Patrick had the sense to point out how…

I can't say I was as enchanted with Season 2 as Season 1, but it's kind of like because Season 1 was the honeymoon period and Season 2 was the hard, complicated reality afterward. Season 2 was harder to watch, but more significant for the characters than Season 1.

I totally caught it too. it's a fantastic touch, but off-set just enough to show character growth. Last time, Richie asked him if he was ready, but what it meant for Patrick was deciding if he could be ready for someone else. This time, Richie asks him if he's ready, and for Patrick it means deciding if he is ready…

I don't think he's immature for expecting a relationship built from infidelity to be faithful. He's immature for not having that conversation when the relationship was headed toward seriousness. Perhaps its bad writing, or it's an intentional twist on the audience, but most of us would assume that if the conversation…

Right. Patrick states it really fairly: perhaps their hearts just work differently. And that's not wrong at all. It can totally work to be monogamous if that's what both people want. It can totally work to be open if that's what both people want. But mismatching won't work, especially if no one is having that…

I really liked the parallels and contrast here with Kevin/Patrick and Doris/Dom, plus the lovely parallel to the S1 finale. We have Kevin and Patrick, who rushed through their relationship so quickly that they hardly know anything about one another—favorite movies, most hated foods, what kind of relationship they…

I love jumping onboard the Kevin hate train as much as anyone, but I have to chalk this up to both patrick and Kevin just totally sucking. We saw this coming with how rushed the relationship is. So rushed, they never discussed their favorite movies, most hated foods, or WHAT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP THEY WANT TO COMMIT…

I know it's judgmental of me, because not everyone has the same priorities, but Kevin wanting to ditch the fundraiser—a fundraiser for homeless, queer (and specifically trans) youth—for the A-List Gay quasi-orgy was the nail in the coffin for me. I'll chalk Patrick's desire to stay with Kevin enabling his bad side,…

In my experience, yes, they totally turn into orgies.

I'm being facetious about them being regular Voices of Reason. I'm just saying I really enjoy it when they do, since Patrick is written as stumbling through practically everything in his life with a shocking lack of self-awareness. Looking for a Plot was a great example of an episode where Patrick becomes a pinnacle…

I appreciate your thoughts on this, too.

You're right. It wouldn't matter…if the narrative of their romance was in a vacuum. If it was just about how he met Kevin and liked him, then there wouldn't be anything "wrong" with them being together. But Kevin isn't supposed to be just some guy who's similar to him and with whom he's very compatible; Kevin is…

I think that it becomes a good writing moment to have a scene with Jon and Kevin talking about what happened. Maybe not now, but eventually. The two are familiar in a way that Jon is not to Patrick. The audience would eventually side with Patrick because he's the viewpoint character, but Kevin has some distance as a…

I don't mean that they're good checks as someone who intimately knows Patrick enough to critique his life choices. But they're characters who have met Patrick head to head on general assumptions: he lacks perspective on his white privilege, or his HIV anxieties, or his wealthy childhood. Ceci is able to confront him,…

See, in that context, I would say that the vicious Glorified queen in the previous episode is more toward what I'm seeing in anti-Kevin/Patrick fans. It's not compatibility in that perspective, but just being totally in love with yourself and your privilege (or the privilege-based expectations of your family…though…

She's a really excellent character and it's satisfying to see her go from her static "chill and frank" start to her dynamic "being pushed" state.

That's a good point. I did think Doris taking it there was a bit of a wild swing (but not so wild, because we see in earlier episodes that Dom has separation anxiety with Doris; he doesn't fully get that she is in a relationship). It screamed contrived suspicion-drama: "I know what this is about! You're just jealous…

That's true. I guess I don't mean "right" in a "fixes everything" sort of way but more in a "have you done everything you need to do" way.