And then he overcomes it = growth.

And ot wasn’t judt ripped away, but he personally failed. He was the entire future of the Jedi order and it all went to hell.

Luke might have been Ren if he’d grown up knowing his dad was Darth Vader. Especially if Vader had been a dead legend. Add to that a whole order devoted to Making the Galaxy Great Again, and, well, you get the attraction...

Grandfather issues, for one. Also, he was recruited by the all-powerful head of an evil empire who manipulated him and offered near-absolute (next to Snoke) power.

That — and the pull of the dark side (destroy the shit out of all your enemies, inspire fear and get free stuff) is pretty self-evident and had been explained before. Ren was influenced by Snoke (and his grandfather’s legacy/legend) who offered power, Snoke is bad, now Ren’s in charge — end of story.

Why? I just don’t get it. It’s all there onscreen and in the dialogue. Why not move the story forward?

Which was kind of the stated point of this whole movie — let’s stop doing the same thing over and over.

Come on, it’s not a mystery. It’s all there in the dialogue snd onscreen.

Exactly, it doesn’t matter who Snoke is or how he gained power. In the original trilogy, the emperor dies before we know anything about him (those were the days).

Did Hoffman do that to you lately? It wasn’t considered assault or harassment then. That doesn’t make it okay, but it’s the equivalent of destroying an 80-year-old man because of a story that he drank and drove in 1970.

It’s pretty easy to hold an 80-year-old to the fire (over vague creepiness that happened back when vague creepiness wasn’t a fireable offense, especially in the theatre) to make us feel like we’re tackling real problems taking place now.

Also, Wally seems like a nice kid — but there’s not much to the character. Same with Jesse.

Granted, we only have his version so far — but it doesn’t sound very criminal. Creepy, maybe. Although, one would think that they’d have looked into it and found something for such a public firing.

Hmmm. So he should have been reported to HR (er, the other one), fired from the team and reported to CCPD for (apparently, accurately) guessing C’s measurements? I don’t think the show showed that anybody was victimized, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a stealth way of normalizing this behaviour.

That’s not what I’m talking about. His behaviour, and any other similar behaviour, is abominable and there should be consequences.

“The measurements ID thing was too much (I wonder if Kreisberg pushed to have someone on the bus with a size 38 chest? What a sexual harassing jackass)”

“More likely than stealth commentary, it’s probably in there because Kreisberg thought it was hilarious. Yuck.”

And the middrif on robo-Wells — sweet Jesus.

I’m not excusing Spacey. But why does it have to have been traumatic? People get hit on in all sorts of gross ways. It doesn’t make it okay, but it’s not devastating or a horrible deep dark secret to everyone.

To be pedantic on this — until the women actually came forward, there were no allegations or accusations.