“...a point Templeton made about why the FSD system is so stressful to use”

Yeah, they were weird nerds five years ago. Now it’s aggressive, unhinged tech bros who worship at the altar of Musk and defend even his most insane claims and beliefs. 

I think I’ve figured it out...the Telsa FSD Beta is based on the average driving skills of an American! It all makes sense now! The crashing, the ignoring traffic signals, the ignoring being pulled over by a cop. This program is working just fine if you ask me.

If you have a learners permit you can’t drive unsupervised.  Seems like a horrible standard for “full self driving”

They’re coming.

It’s not even just weird nerds, it’s also super bro-ey dudes 

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I think we should strongly consider “would immediately end a driving test” as a valid criteria to stop a public beta of any self-driving system. Until it can complete (and pass) a basic driving test, we should probably limit test vehicles to people hired and trained to properly monitor and control the vehicle.

If he got 3.5 millions for cards. He probably have another 1 to pay a good lawyer and get a good part of that money back

I see nothing wrong with Toyota implementing this model. Hopefully it will be better than all the certified pre-owned bullshit where they you’re lucky if the dealership even washed the car.

Yes, but value added, especially in this era that now we have to worry about wireless network upgrades causing integral features to stop working.

I don’t see how this is the county’s fault. It’s pretty basic knowledge that you don’t leave your vehicle in a snowstorm. Sounds like the family is lashing out because they don’t want to recognize their son/brother made a poor choice. Sad stuff for sure 

I will never agree to that, sorry Rivian. I think your trucks are cool though. 

Nope, I’ll never buy a car that has subscription based features if I can possibly help it.

Hey, Rivian -

The gift that keeps giving! The purchase that keeps costing!

Realistically people had to know this was coming, no? I mean, did we really think electric cars were going to make car ownership cheaper? They will just look for other ways to get your money. 

and a monthly subscription plan for infotainment, connectivity, diagnostics, and other services

I saw a R1T up close yesterday. It’s awesome, especially for someone who actually goes off-road: great ground clearance and fording depth, full-size spare, flat underbody. But $15K for subscriptions? Not awesome.