Did they have Sport tourers or big twins? My bike runs out to 125 mph or so. So below the super sport tourers but probably able to keep up with cvo harleys.

I’ve always wondered about this - can you show up on a sportsbike and ride zippily without much consequence? Or it is an American v-twin only affair?

Hondas bikes have fared much better than their cars!

You said you didn’t understand why someone would buy this over a Camry. And now you say the Lexus is simply too boring? In what world is the Camry more exciting than the Lexus with its standard V6?

They’re superlatively boring which is exciting to those of us who want to save our pennies for race cars and motorcycles. Compared to race cars and non-harley motorcycles, all street cars are boring. So why don’t you ponder these facts of life next time you reach into your pants and pull out an opinion.

Thank you arbiter of taste to tell us what we can and can’t find exciting and laudable. We would be so lost without you, and it’s so generous of you to give us our opinions so freely. How can we ever repay you but by the grace of your godliness?

Heck yeah!

I don’t know about your family and friends, but Lexuses with 300k miles are relatively common. And Lexuses have the highest liklihood of going over 180k miles (of any brand in America). I don’t know of anyone in the world who says that Tesla are the most likely cars to reach 180k miles.

If that’s your attempt at humor, don’t bother.

So no one would pay more for a Japanese built Lexus than the American built Camry (although some ES production is happening in Kentucky, the hybrid is made in Japan).

Eh. I’d do it for free, but only for a year or so. Air Force hit me up if you want a color blind pilot who may or may not be too tall to fly.

Climate change is very real.

You’re wrong. VW has set aside billions. GM was fined less than a billion.

Scarcity doesn’t justify high prices. It can explain high prices, but in something as discretionary as a car that can’t/shouldn’t be used as daily transportation, we should look to the demand side.

You bring up very good points about the ‘survivorship bias’ (for lack of a better word). The cars that have made it this far are survivors.

I’m very familiar with the W220 S55 (493 horsepower version) and S65. My best friend in high school had a dad who had both of the cars (he also had the S55 amg normally aspirated but he sold that before my friend and I got our licenses so I don’t have an opinion on it). The interior between the two was similar, but…

And I’d wager dollars to doughnuts that Senna could detect the limit without a talkative steering wheel.

Steering precision is much more important than feedback. A good enough driver can detect the signs of impending understeer without a change in the force of the steering wheel (and a great driver knows their traction budget and doesn’t get in the situation in the first place).

you have a point the cars that we think of as the platinum standard for steering feedback are all skinny tired cars like the Lotus Elan.

They don’t get cross shopped because GM handicaps the Volt :)