I think I’d be unable to logically speculate on the ethical comprehension level of every human woman who has ever gotten an abortion, but my tendency would be to say that any conclusion this broad is statistically unlikely to be true.

Ah! An excellent point. (Although I would rush to point out that I think there should never need to be a law legalizing gay marriage, because there should never have been any question about it being legal in the first place, for exactly the reasons you’re stating: two consenting adults should be able to make that…

(Caveat, again: I’m undecided, merely representing one possible point.) IF abortion is killing a human (again, VERY BIG IF), then it’s as much everyone else’s business as any other killing. What you’d be saying, in that case, is “Don’t agree killing is wrong? Then don’t kill people.”

So you don’t see any uncertainty, any moral questions here at all? You know what life is, what humans are, which ones should be legally protected, all of it? THAT. IS. AWESOME. Please, shove some of that certainty my way! If you could explain to me, with logic and reason, why abortion is okay (and when), I would value…

Essentially, you have to restrict the definition to such a point that the only real dividing line is one that you arbitrarily set.

I agree with basically everything you said, and I don’t really understand why you think I wouldn’t. My guess is that you’ve read into what I’ve written and think I’m some kind of person I’m not, but if you read just what I wrote - not your interpretation of what else I might think, but the words on the screen…

Let me say again, up front: I am uncertain of my beliefs on this issue! Please don’t feel I’ve got this all decided out. Also, let me point out that at no point did I try to impose my beliefs (remember, I don’t have certain ones, so I couldn’t) on anyone else. Lastly, I don’t have “theological laws,” because I’m not…

Oh, my word, yes! That kind of hypocrisy is exactly why I think this issue should be examined more closely, more rationally, more scientifically. Like, I get the people who believe any interference with pregnancy is defiance of their god’s will (but would still disagree with them), but for the rest, the argument seems…

It’s not even a little bit that simple. IF fertilized eggs are human beings, and IF we have a legal responsibility to protect the lives of all humans beings - both very big ifs! - then what you’re saying above is like saying, “hey, bro, if you don’t agree with murder, just don’t kill anyone, but force the rest of us…

Yeah, but they’re your cells, with your DNA. A fertilized egg has two half-sets of other people’s DNA, which combine to make a new organism. When that organism gets the rights of a human in the eyes of our laws is the unanswered question, for me.

Let me say first that I don’t know that I do believe life begins at conception, much less that legally-protected life begins at conception - ‘cause they ain’t necessarily the same thing. But yes, it seems to me that, if life begins at conception, IUDs would be a problem, ethically.

An interesting view! I agree that we have a long way to go before we have a unified morality that treats not-born-humans, born-humans, and dead-humans in a logically consistent way.

Does it make a difference if the life-sucker had no choice in the matter, and the life-suckee did?

That’s a wonderful analogy. I mean, imperfect, sure - all analogies are by definition - but a tidy one, nevertheless.

I think your position is absolutely reasonable. I think the comparison of pregnancy to cancer is problematic since they’re fundamentally different biological processes, but I understand the metaphor you’re using, and as long as it’s not taken too far, its reasoning holds.

I definitely see that hypocrisy! Please understand, I am actually and genuinely undecided on this issue, and if it sounds like I’m one of the people you’re talking about, please know that I’m not. That kind of hypocrisy is exactly the kind of thing I want to avoid in myself, and why I think it’s important to judge…

To be fair, I don’t think everyone - or even most people - fucking get that the vehemence of their opposition is born of ignorance. I think it’s absolutely great that you understand that, but I’ve been on the internet once or twice, and I’m not sure yours is the majority position.

I very much am. I understand I was putting forth a given view, but that doesn’t mean I necessarily hold that view with certainty.

Right, but, again, if you believe human life begins at conception, and if you believe that the government has the duty to protect all human life - those are the parts I’m not certain of! - then it’s not an issue of comprehensive medical care of the mother, but the fundamental rights of the unborn child. If you don’t…

That’s as may be, but that wouldn’t make it right! That could just be an injustice on another injustice. If abortion is wrong, it should be wrong no matter the gender of the gestator or foetus - which I’m reasonably certain you agree with, I just wanted to make sure you knew I likewise agreed.