If they're going to try to testify that they were all equally drunk, the guys are kind of shooting themselves in the foot by trying to argue that the girl was too drunk to be a reliable witness, but that they're sober enough to know what was happening. If they're telling the truth, that's pretty damning. If the girl…
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The victim is going to be on his show tomorrow. I'm shocked. It seems so exploitative to have these minors discussing what happened on television before the trial.
Thank you!! :) I so hate that derail of "CONSENT? WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO, TAKE HER TO MY LAWYER AND SIGN A CONTRACT??" Uh, I think most people can tell the difference between enthusiasm and reluctance. If you can't tell, you better be asking. Consent is always enthusiastic in my house, too! :)
Sounds like you have some demons to work through. Listen to Tastycakes2, she knows what's up. It ain't rocket surgery. ALSO, I don't know about your relationship but in mine consent is always enthusiastic. If one of us asks "Yo, wanna have sex?" or "Should I grab a condom?" and the response is anything other than…
It can be hard to tell, if both people are extremely drunk- but this case sounds like she was significantly drunker than he was. If one person is drunk but still pretty aware of what's going on, they should be expected to take some responsibility for not having sex with people that they can't tell whether they're…
What Frat do you belong to?
Sexual escalation should be pretty easy to interpret as a yes- if the other person is not so drunk it's unclear whether they know what's happening to them. Seriously? Is that even a question?
Yeah he meant straw man. Paper tiger is someone who talks a good game about being powerful but is actually ineffective.
If someone doesn't say yes to penetration, then that IS rape. Alcohol doesn't even matter at that point.
Being the person who directs pretty much anything that would be defined as sexual conduct- like, penetrating them, or using some part of them to penetrate yourself, for example.
If someone is annoying you, is it OK to murder them? Weigh in on the controversy tonight on Dr. Phil.
No, the person who would be the rapist in this scenario is the person who initiated sex, since the other person couldn't consent to it. If it was a woman, than she's the rapist, if it's a man, he's the rapist.
Or how can you say that a girl drunk enough to not remember what happened to her was sober enough to consent to sex?
No, if she'd wanted to have a 'train run on her', then she wouldn't be charging these guys with rape. And women absorb more alcohol than men. She had 4 drinks in half an hour- she could easily have a blood alcohol level that would impair her vision, motor control, and speech, or even make her blackout drunk, making it…
I think it's mostly upsetting that this even has to be a question. And that it's something he can tweet about with no critical thought, when people have lived experiences of being raped while incapacitated and they have to deal with that trauma. It was just put so casually and with no context (from what I understand)…
They were all like "Continue being unresponsive if you're enjoying this."
Fine, for the sake of argument, let's pretend your little angel isn't a rapist. He's still the kind of guy to sit around while his friends are fucking an intoxicated girl, (presumably watching the live show) before taking his turn.
I never can get past how unlikely it is that a high school kid is so sexually sophisticated that she arranges for and enjoys sex with four boys in one night.
All I can do is shake my head when I hear a grown woman with a son defend her child's piggish behavior towards women. And I hear it all the damn time. Disgusting.