The whole “anti-religion / religion is evil / religion breeds ignorance” concept was a lot easer to rationalize back in the 19th century when just about everyone was religious. Now humanity (unfortunately) has a couple of major examples of avowed atheist tyrants that show that large groups (countries) of humans are…

So what’s it going to take for TSLA to lose $500B market cap and get to a realistic valuation?

I’m not going to buy a Tesla any time in the foreseeable future, but I bet the number of consumers who avoid Tesla specifically because of Elon is pretty small. (I think the Jalopnik population is massively skewed this way, though.)

Maybe this is why they cancelled the $25K Model2 — it would have actually been like $28-29K, and now you can buy a Model Y for like $34K.

Hold on, no one suggested a Volvo yet?! I suspect these will be much cheaper to maintain vs. a MB or Jaguar. I’d go with the T5 to avoid the complex turbo+supercharged T6, or the really over complicated turbo+super+hybrid T8.

People thought the Beetle was subsidized by Germany? It was practically designed in the 1930's and the factory was literally rebuilt by the Allied forces post-WWII, not the German government.

Just imagine in some future time when something like FSD *does* work well: people will be using it to drive during all the ‘normal’ conditions. Unfortunately, it’ll still give up when things get really hard like during a thunderstorm or blizzard. Now you’ll have people who have very little recent experience driving…

BMW invested with SGL Carbon in that plant in WA. It’s not a BMW plant, and BMW has sold their stake in this plant back to SGL according to:

It would be really horrible for tons of people who cannot afford new cars. Not just ‘poor’ people but also the huge numbers of middle class people who gotta drive the latest $60-80K pickup or body-on-frame SUV.

Congrats.  I can’t wait to see the final pictures / video!

Counterpoint: the i3 was a failed experiment in carbon fiber body construction and a CARB compliance car to allow BMW to sell expensive, fuel-inefficient cars to wealthy people in California.

Don’t forget that $10k Seal also was built using tons of beneficial Chinese government subsidies and regulations.  Not to mention that no one here would buy it -- it’s tiny.

One really good alternative solution would be to add like $2-3/gallon gas tax. That would definitely decrease the use of inefficient people, drive many to use EV’s, and provide some desperately needed tax revenue to offset the insane amount of money spent by the US government.

Hopefully this doesn’t sell for much over $10K, since you can get a newer Bentley with the same engine and about the same miles for $19K. 

All that water vapor in the air is literally causing global warming too. We should ban it.

Sticker price in 1967: $15,313.22.

It’s proof that people really do want to buy electric cars — they’ve just gotta be appealing, unique and reasonably priced.

I knew a professor in college who always had to have the latest gadgets (cell phone, any kind of ultra-unique laptop, $10K flatscreen TV), and after watching him for a while I learned the lesson that always chasing the latest stuff is NOT WORTH IT about 99% of the time.

intermittent failure of the latch and handle ... the emergency override mechanism also failed to pop the door.

Rivian costs ~2x the price of a Model3