Nah, that's exactly what they are. I've driven the "viggens" and the other supposed "performance" saabs from their waning days. But I'm sorry I offended your fragile girlish ego about your rebadged opels with a brand that's had zero yuppie cache since the early 80s.

Sorry bro, not "stroking it" to a FWD-biased overweight AWD laggy turbo thing. Maybe that works for your geriatric rear end, but I can't say it does it for me.

You'd be wrong then.

And sell to whom? GM got into the mess they were in because of way too many name plates. Chevy is the low end, Buick the mid range, Cadillac the high end. Keep it simple. There's no value in the Oldsmobile name to anyone that was born after WWII, and it just clutters a marketplace that doesn't want it.

So, cars which are 40+ years old. Once again, who would the market for a "new" Oldsmobile be? The people that fondly remember the Rocket 88 are worm food now.

You're not going to overcome 30+ years of terrible badge engineered cars. The "retro" fad is nearly dead, and the only people that fondly remember oldsmobile are following suit.

A "Muscle car" was a mid sized platform with a big engine. Taking Grandpa's gran marquis and sticking the police-prep package on it doesn't make a it a "muscle car".

Who cares? The panther platform was junk, and the Marauder was an overhyped non-factor that couldn't even compete with the Impala 10 years prior.

Seriously. The majority of this list, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Olds, etc produced boring, mediocre garbage that the market didn't care about. What's the point of bringing any of those back?

Which is why no one bought them.

Yea, I did a DE weekend there probably 14-15 years ago. It's a "fun" track, but basically on the same level as going out there and bombing some backroads. It's the sort of track I'd pay 70 bucks to do a friday fun day type setup, but I wouldn't spend real money on.

Fuck that. I don't love riding passenger seat in some jackass newbie's GTO and having him stuff it into a tree on his first out lap.

Jesus, he go off on the front stretch into that shitty fence, turn 5 into the trees, or 10 into the armco?

Truth be told, I've probably seen more incidents occur under an opening "yellow" lap, or a first green lap than at any other time.

$$$$. Summit point & BSR make most of their money through government safety training, secret service avoidance training instruction, etc. They aren't really too concerned with the club racer element/crowd, so safety and infrastructure improvements aren't a priority.

Seriously, the Jeff circuit sucks. I've seen more cars written off at that track than I have anywhere else, Mid Ohio, VIR, WGI, RA, etc. I've seen cars totalled at Autocrosses using that course.

You've never been to too many 1/4 & 1/3 mile paved ovals before, have ya?

Well, no, they actually "pride" themselves on being the oldest running oval track in existence in the US. The track has been running events since '49, and was started back in 1936. It was actually the stadium for Wake Forest's football program in the 50s and 60s.

Ya know, the non-parkinson's cam view was right there on the side links.

Uhhh, no.