But they have settled on a consistent tone?

That god someone else gets it.

I have a lot of difficulty thinking of either The Flash or Arrow as good shows. They're passable entertainment, but they're pretty generic takes on superheroism — straight up adaptations that purely succeed in replicating the dominant sensation associated with DC comics.

Gritty isn't serious. It's just dirty.

Yeah, this show's funny as fuck. I don't get where you're coming from here.

Why is this show never funny on purpose?

I actually laughed out loud when the Gordon and Vic Mackey shot the youngest Pike brother and he blew up. Was that supposed to be funny? They didn't play it like it was supposed to be funny.

The criminal warehouse was pretty stupid, but it fits more into Tim Burton's Batman universe, which they should just go full steam ahead into. Otherwise, the shift in campy tone makes it really randomly bad.

I'm with you on the first part. Fuck canon. Unusual takes on any long-running series is basically vital for their ongoing survival, even if they aren't considered "very good". Though I obviously adore this.

Weekly Gotham positivity thread. Where we only say nice things, even when we disagree.

RIP Oz.

I don't think so, actually. There's The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency and Rome, which I think were BBC co-productions. I'm also not sure how involved HBO was in the creation of Extras or the Chris Lilley comedies, but those were probably co-productions too.

Several, actually. Game Of Thrones, Bored To Death, Boardwalk Empire, Carnivale, Rome…

Well yeah, but that doesn't contradict my point.

Of course they were actively promoted — this website has a press release every time John Snow may or may not be dead. That's not noteworthy, that's the television equivalent of ambulance chasing.

When that line gets blurred, there tends to be some reaction in the comments, which, in my opinion, is somewhat justified.

Yeah, I get where that's coming from, but I don't think that's carried across in the performances. I stand by what I said about the Thomas and Ward — they're not actors, and struggle to maintain chemistry on screen, even with each other.

Eh. I watch because I'm interested in the show, not because I enjoy it. I still get something out of it. My friend was in it too, so you know, support.

So, like, straight up: I can't stand this show. Neither Josh Thomas nor Thomas Ward can act, the humour is repetitive (but also, like, just not my thing), and I find the show's attitude towards its characters repulsive. It likes these people, and thinks of them as realistic.

On film, maybe. You can't get away with that kind of thing, working in television.