I’m not buying either, but the Z is the one that would really tempt me if I had the extra cash. Attention to detail, cohesive design, and a nice (and functional) interior make that one look good.

Steep for a vehicle that isn’t running. Really hate to pay a total of 10k, expecting it to get me going, only to find out that there’s more wrong that wasn’t mentioned.

I know a lot of the discussion here is about digital vs analog in general, but these are a great example of still providing the information in the same general way as analog (dial shape indicating range), but without digital needles. This isn’t a question of replacing the tach with numbers, as some of the comments…

It’s such a weird “accomplishment.” Adjusted for inflation, you are able to make a vehicle a bit cheaper now than when you first started up an assembly line.

The person buying this isn’t cross-shopping with those. You spend 45k on this, you were probably looking at nice crossovers, but wanted a bed. If you are cross-shopping a fully-loaded one of these with a full-size F150 or something, you are probably looking at a Lariat or similar.

I’d go for the same H/C/Com setup as gas cars. Preferably with a hot vs cold, too. If I know a car can go 200/275/225, I can extrapolate a lot more from that. If I have that set for, say, 95 degree and 0 degree weather, I can plan winter and summer trips accordingly.

Might be a nice price, but a buyer should give a careful inspection. Does the floor feel solid? Does it pop up and fold up smoothly? Are the tanks and plumbing rotting out? How’s it look underneath? I’m also nervous about the unpictured bathroom.

He’s been pretty consistent in pointing out that all Level 2 systems are inherently problematic. This article is centered on the recently opened investigation into accidents involving Tesla, and he said that he hopes they apply the findings more broadly to acknowledge the inherent issues in Level 2 systems.

Anything in which I want utility over driving experience. Daily commuter, towing rig, people or cargo hauler, etc.

I’m disappointed this is under the boring “Crime” topic. With “Planelopnik,” “Trainlopnik,” and “Boatlopnik,” I want to see this under “Helopnik” or maybe “Jaloppers.”

Even then, why have the cutout for the glow plugs?

Let’s assume that this portion of the panel is standardized and used elsewhere. Where? Do other GM non-diesels have the glow plug light? I don’t end up in a lot of GMs, so I’m not sure. But I think that the Jalop Hive Mind can probably provide some examples that either do or do not include it.

I think some of it is the idea of buying a luxury car for short trips. While most of our trips are short, there is the question of how much comfort one needs in a short trip. No correct answer, of course. Personally, a short range car would not be my choice for luxury. Comfort is more important to me on long trips,…

If it were earmarked for repairs, I think it would be more palatable. But this doesn’t do enough to reduce reliance on cars and doesn’t put restrictions on the use of highway money.

I think that the rent/own divide is the real problem here, rather than garages on homes. Homeowners have a far easier time getting into EVs than the 35% or so of Americans who rent.

I have trouble justifying a very short-range luxury car. But I do understand that some might want that, since most daily driving is very short range.

Something similar to what they learned on.

I know this is not the point, but I really like those headlight/mirror units on this.

The price is probably okay in today’s market, but I will never be that excited by an 80s Mustang.

I wonder if this is something similar to the 3 vs 8 problem where you could extend the middle bar of the three to trick the camera into reading it as an eight. Because these lines are at angles to each other and do not exactly align properly, the car misreads them.