Thank you. I was living in another country when the R. Kelly thing happened so while I knew who he was he wasn’t nearly as famous or ubiquitous as in the US, but I still remember that sketch and how hilarious it was.

That’s the other argument that gets trod out all the time, after the spiel about doing the work and contrition, etc: the one about the hypothetical super talented and perfectly woke people who are somehow not being recognised and given their due.

That. And it also pisses them off that more and more non- radical Liberal people (and corporations like Gillette) are speaking up about it and saying so.

Seriously. I think the ad was kind of ham-fisted and obvious virtue signalling on the part of Gillette, the ad world equivalent of Oscar bait movies, but I guess that’s also kind of necessary in the world we live in. I thought the hysterics among the right wing reactions were hilarious, fuel to the fire of…

Except your comment doesn’t make any sense unless you’re being held at gunpoint and forced to watch Ansari? Or I’m forcing people to like him and his show somehow? All I said is as far as misconduct goes, his is pretty minor and was blown out of proportion, and I’m not alone in thinking that given the reaction to the…

Lighten up, Harriot! I don’t know if the ‘artist’ realizes how absurd this is but either way, I think it’s comedy gold.

Really? I thought the reboot was a missed opportunity. They had a great cast and I think they got lazy and thought they could get by with their talent and the hype around an all girl reboot and didn’t actually write a good script, or even a decent one. It was lazy.

Yeah, I did. And I’ve been there (well, metaphorically). And I remember the guy in question as a pushy asshole who obviously needs a lesson in how to treat women, and how to read body language and signals. And that if all he wants is a quick lay with no romance, he should be upfront and honest about that and look for…

Don’t be disingenuous. When people refer to working again, they mean in their usual field. Also, and this doesn’t just refer to you but also other comments I’ve seen, if your concern has to do with women’s safety, and people truly thought he still posed a risk, then you wouldn’t want him in any field. But if it’s just…

The dog thing, the cat thing before that, being into religious republican douches in the first place... she’s no better than he is. I dont know why/how she somehow came out of that the good guy.

Not a man. Just a woman who lives in the real world.

Are you new to Kinja? That kind of sanctimonious, virtue-signalling shithead comment is par for the course

Um, yeah, I referred to it as reactionary bitter dad jokes in my comment. I have no interest in seeing him, nor am I defending his material. 

He’s actually not entitledto any form of work at all.

Sure, if you see the world in absolutist, black and white terms. I’m one of those people who see the world in shades of grey, so yeah, YMMV. 

So you’re equating working at Applebee’s and other blue collar jobs with a suitable punishment for sexual harassers?

That’s my whole point. There is no defined set of ‘dues’ to be paid, there is no verdict, there is no formal mechanism for these men, so you can’t expect every comedy club owner and potential audience member to agree with your concept of what should be done. That’s what happens when you try people in the court of…

Then that point needs to be made more clearly. Or maybe you should have picked different examples. And I agree with you that this blurred line between work and personal spaces that’s typical of the art/entertainment world is definitely something harassers and abusers take advantage of, but this also not the first time…

Or, it means some club owners think he’s paid his dues and are ok to book him. He was never convicted of a crime, so any kind of treatment he gets from clubs is arbitrary and subject to each club owner’s personal criteria. That’s what happens when you try someone in the court of public opinion, there’s no one verdict…

What CK did is absolutely harassment. But in the grand scheme of things I also don’t think  it’s “should never work again” levels of bad. He admitted it, he went away for a bit and lost millions and a movie and while it may not be what some people wanted, it’s not nothing. So yeah, I’m the grand scheme of things I…