||im sorry so that must not include oliver??||

1. I never changed numbers. I don't know what you're talking about.

1. Neither show can be reduced down to it’s time travel elements, yet it plays a crucial role in both, as do the ethics of it. Flash doesn’t use time travel for merely comedic purposes.

1. Both are sci-fi shows that try to portray time travel in a fairly realistic manner (as opposed to something like Back to the Future or Bill and Ted). Comparison seems fair to me.

Joe's a hypocrite because he rightfully criticizes Oliver for the bad things he's done, yet wrongly ignoring the good (and he does so in a condescending, douchey way), while completely ignoring Barry's shitty behavior, praising him like he does no wrong.

It might make the show more interesting but it doesn't change the fact that Joe is a hypocrite.

No, it isn't. Changing 15 years of everyone's life on earth sounds like something a supervillain would do and is a fate far worse then death. In the Star Trek: TNG episode "Tapestry", Picard chooses to die rather than alter one event in his past that would make him into a completely different person. And the funny…

The only thing he was upset about was the fact that he's hailed a hero for saving the city, while Ronnie and Eddie aren't. Fucking with the timeline and the fact that he's the cause of the singularity that killed a bunch of people are completely ignored.

Barry isn't as responsible for Eddie as he is for the other things, but I still think he deserves some blame. Eobard Thawne never would have needed taken down in the finale had Barry not stupidly let him go in the first place, and then he breaks the deal he made with Thawne by preventing him from returning to the…

It is understandable. I work in daycare and have seen plenty of parents who never discipline their kids. Those kids usually are the most entitled and think they can get away with anything. That's the vibe I get from Joe and Barry, given that Joe never criticizes him on anything. It's consistent writing I guess, but…

I remember like a year ago there was a lot of speculation that Felicity was gonna be paralyzed. Someone pointed out that probably wouldn't happen, since it'd be awfully hard to ogle her butt if she were always sitting down.

Reminded me of Justified season 3: Neal McDonough playing the psychopathic villain who we later find out has a son (and perhaps wife? I forget).

Why? Just curious; I've never read any Spider-Man.

Resurrecting someone isn't the same as changing over a decades worth of history. Oliver would sacrifice himself, not the whole world, in order to save a family member.

Actually, Cisco did briefly point out that they shouldn't help Barry because he'd be screwing all them over. Barry persuaded him by letting him work on the time machine. So Cisco said "fuck it" to 15 years of his life so he could build a time machine that he wouldn't actually end up building once the timeline…

Gwen Stacy's supposed to be the more bland, generic girlfriend character, correct?

Can't argue with ya there.

I wouldn't expect him to be as hard on Barry as he is Oliver, but he never sees a fault in him. For Joe, the worst thing Barry's ever done is not believe in himself hard enough.

I didn't say illegally detaining people was as bad as killing them, but Joe's a hypocrite none-the-less. He praises Barry to the heavens and ignores the pretty terrible things he's done, while trashing Oliver and ignores all the good he's accomplished.

Barry wasn't upset when Cisco revealed his identity to a supervillain in order to save someone's life. I can't imagine he'd be mad at himself for doing the same.