In the 1970s it took the average worker 2 weeks pay to buy a tv. Today, it takes only 2 days pay to buy an infinitely better tv. Capitalism did that. And workers are expected to throw that out so some pencil-dick college kid can pretend to be Che Guevara?

I have to chuckle at the naïveté on display here. Democrats abandoned the unions 30 years ago. They were sick of losing presidential elections. They became a new kind of party, one far less concerned with the plight of working people.

I’m glad you mentioned the Women’s March, because it reminded me of an article from that time that explains exactly why the Left can never get anything done. The fight for social justice has become a contest for which minority group can create the most impenetrable argument supporting their victimhood, thus alienating…

Yes, they then proceeded to subjugate and torture the working classes for 70 years. They must really love Labor, they even made camps so people could labor some more.

Talking about oppression in modern day America will never cease to make me laugh. Get a fucking clue

Eh, the op is right. Labor as a category doesn’t really exist. Identity politics has ruined any possibility of solidarity. And I generally don’t care about inequality (as long as people aren’t dying) although I would vote for providing healthcare for all and some welfare services.

finally someone talking about real marxism. because, why would anyone want to live in such abundance when we could all be enjoying starvation and want, right?

Dip is very cheap. Also, yeah I could use more overtime. I just bought a project vehicle and a vacation home and I want to pay off the house in 10 years instead of 15. I only have one mouth to feed though as my SO can feed herself.

“There are no serfs? What would you call people who work full-time and can’t afford rent or three nutritious meals a day?”

People with no appreciable skills to bring to the marketplace? 

I disagree. Working class people don’t buy into fiery communist rhetoric because communist don’t know how to speak to workers. They hate the working class, they just hate the rich more. That’s why communism is almost solely located amongst underachieving, college educated middle class white people and the occaisional…

There are no serfs. Hamno is always advocating communism. And nobody who actually keeps the country running is going to strike as te economy continues to get better and better.

Hamno wouldn’t know the working class if it sat on his face. That’s the hubris of this idiot. The people he is talking about aren’t like him. They don’t relate to his Marxist dialect. And don’t give a shit about some guy in New York telling them to stop working.

Frankly, I give less than a shit about your debate club rules here. Thank you, I’m making my points, you understand them, that’s all I care about.

The social justice death spiral continues...

Victims of unchecked immigration. *mic drop*

No, man. The best way to move upwards and improve your lot in life is to stomp your feet, make a big fuss about how things haven’t gone your way, and most importantly, not work.

People like Nolan want to use 19th or early 20th century solutions to 21st century problems.

Those are institutional terms that had the force of law behind them to make people serfs or campesinos.

Give it a rest, Lenin.

Pretty much every monotheistic religion views every other religion as false. These religions already exist. All you have to do is convert and open a bakery. Judaism or Islam would probably work best.