Open your eyes man! I used to be like you and the I realized that my parents sending me to a speech therapist at 5, tennis lessons at 8 and SAT prep classes wasn't done out of love it was done to perpetuate systemic oppression!

Huh? Parents actively engaged in their students lives certainly make schools better. The competition raises the bar. Also, less of a need for metal detectors!

Not sure you are correct.

What snobbery? He studiously reknitts his boots one at a time like the rest of us.

I think Ward has 2 inches on ggg and is naturally much bigger frame wise. Ggg is not a big middle and Ward was killing himself to get to 168. It is a legit size disparity I don't think ggg could overcome. If they were equal size it would be a 50/50 fight. With the size difference I also favor Ward

Brand is old, fighting on 6 weeks notice and moving up in weight. The fight is as safe as a fight can be for Ward. Brand is cashing out and is there to lose. Not saying it’s fixed- it doesn’t have to be. He stands no chance.

Thanks for the reasonable take. Sometimes you know your team is outmanned but you show up and cheer your ass off anyway. Why? Because it’s just a game and it’s fun. It doesn’t have to make or brake your worth in life and it doesn’t have to be a referendum on your city, state or country. If plucking 5 year olds from…

I'd like to hear the logic behind that hot take.

The point was that nobody bought into the the US chances (we were just excited of the possibility of pulling off the miracle).

Redford’s quote - “the US will probably lose”

picking another country to cheer for doesn’t make you hip, it makes you an asshole.

Eat shit.

Agreed on pumping the brakes on the tone - not many boxing fans left. All that I have left is going over to boxing forum.com and enjoy endless hours of debate of ggg v ward with not so slight racial animosity!

Eat shit.

I'm assuming Florida law applies here.

I accept and enjoy racism and/or xenophobia from anyone over 80. It’s the only interesting shit they say - we should not discourage it.

My bad - was arguing the merits of Liston with another poster and got my thread themes mixed.

I stand by my initial post which specifically said “prime Liston” which is a huge caveat as the Liston that fought Ali was not prime. I happen to be in agreement that Ali had the greatest career of any heavyweight. I just don’t think that at his best Ali would have been a favorite against a Prime Liston. I also think…

I cannot imagine that 15 years ago any prifessional sports organization would have done this. There would have been an acknowledgement of the tragedy but mlb would not have put rainbows on their product. It's progress.

Watch Liston get up on his knees and then tumble over in the second fight. No way he was that hurt from that punch.