And now for all the regressive man children to puff their chests in comments...

I utterly agree!

Oh, I agree - it’d be nice to see some aspirational work out there in genre fiction. I mean, the original trek ... Kirk was a guy with problems, he was insecure, and tended to go off half cocked and McCoy - by our standards was hella prejudiced - Spock had his own prejudices about humans, but they all tended to lead…

I could not agree MORE.

It’s just so damn drama filled. Why can’t it just be about exploration and adventure? I don’t mind peril, but to destroy the Federation. It just doesn’t feel like Trek.

I ask myself if I were writing a show, what would I do. And I can honestly say NONE of the things they’ve done lately.

It’s not…

100% agree with your thoughts on Trek outcomes, and that the basic essence of the brand is that belief in humanity and its ability to improve. I had a lot of trouble with Discovery early on because of this.

I’m sure you’ve watched the episode by now and drawn your own conclusions, but here’s my take: I was with you right up until the last five minutes. “Ugh! Another Trek show that feels the need to destroy the Federation and its ideals to manufacture drama!” But the part at the end with Sahil is what gives ME hope.

Well, like you said, you need to actually judge it. What you have is something well written but completely meaningless without actual experience.

It probably has to do with the can lining.

Watch Lower Decks. Even if you don’t find it gut-busting hilarious, you can fee the writing/production team’s deep abiding love for/knowledge of Trek lore. LD, especially by the back half of the season, is a damned delight.

No it’s confirmed bottom left is actually Bruce Wayne. Dick will be Nightwing and Tim will be Robin. The X could probably be an alternate Dick.

No. Dick is still running around as Nightwing with the Titans, but a Star Wars esque attack on their students leads them to fracture. Red X is a former trainee they turn to for help.

There are quite a few Superman/Batman types in this pic so could be a lot of options honestly. Though I think those aren’t bad guesses.

The swearing bugged me a little. Not because people will never swear or because I’m offended, but because Star Trek has traditionally been a family franchise and a show I watched with my 9yo son.
And I couldn’t watch Picard or Discovery with him.

And what does that say about us where we can’t even imagine a non-horrible future without systemic failures and ugly secrets, even after said future experiences two centuries without hunger or poverty with direct help from aliens lacking emotional bias?

It may also have something to do with the fact that our federalized utopian ideals in real life have tended to have severe feet of clay - so we find, understandably, the idea of a utopian, secular, science driven, federal organization that isn’t deceptive or actually broken unrealistic.

I liked the premise for the season. I’m much happier with the cause of the downfall of the federation being a natural disaster then, “Of course, this beautiful thing could never survive!”

I get what you are saying, but in a lot of ways the story of Star Trek ended with Voyager. There was simply no place left for a realistic threat to the Federation. The Alpha and Beta quadrant had been mostly explored. The Delta Quadrant threat, the Borg, had solutions, and The Federation had reached a peaceful…

I’m just so done with it. I really don’t like to be negative, but this is NOT a better future. In fact, the producers of Trek just keep muddying the waters with an ever bleaker future. And swearing.

It’s all so... grim.

Thank you for you willingness to discuss this, too often with new Trek there is a bunch of rabble, rabble it sucks without actually explaining their position. It often just cover for an unwillingness to accept diversity or unrealistic expectation based upon looking at what came before with rose-tinted glasses. So…