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I’ll stop wearing a shirt and/or flowy cover-up to the beach when I feel less judgement from society for my weight/looks. I won’t tell these women to wear less either, and making a “law” to do so is bullcrap.

I have a[sic] problem with the use of punching down when many of these women have repugnant right wing views. [Emphasis mine]

Wait, you think that I’m arguing with you because I’m upset that France is a multiethnic, multicultural state? Wow, have you misjudged this.

Agree, while I personally feel that women shouldn’t have to cover up so they don’t “tempt” men, I have no right to order another woman not to cover up. My role is only to support women in whatever choice they make for themselves because that is the only issue - giving other women autonomy.

There’s so much here that’s so wrong that I couldn’t even begin to get into all of it:

Probably it’s ‘brotherhood’ in terms of “We won’t tolerate difference”, which after the four years I spent in Paris, seems pretty much what I gleaned from society there.

When you get right down to it, you don’t have any clue what these women think about anything much less their political leanings. Policing their bodies in order to prove that the French state is more “civilized” than Muslims who police women’s bodies is ridiculous. Isolating these women because liberals disapprove of

Agreed. This issue is very much a double-edged sword and at the end of the day there’s no one emerging victorious, so let’s focus on something else maybe? Not all Muslim women feel oppressed by wearing their religious garments and no government should take what is for some, a comfort and a sign of piety (which if

I didn’t say you were advocating for eugenics. I said that talking about issues of culture in terms of relative birthrates is the same framework that eugenicists use.

In other words, “no religion in public” really means “no Muslims in public” in France.

It’s code. The proponents of this ban are frightened of Muslims but they are aware enough to realize that explicitly stating that could be politically damaging. So they’re using different language with significant racial connotations; in this case, that brown people are dirty.

Strange how the French never complain about the omnipresence of religion when it’s Catholicism. Walk through the old part of any French city and you’ll see nuns in full habits and priests in their religious garb, churches ringing bells the entire neighborhood can hear, crucifixes on numerous buildings including

Go back to troll school.

A burkini? I really don’t know. It seems to me that this whole “burkini” thing is an arbitrary excuse to bother and police Muslim women in public. It also seems to me that allowing women who wear the burka for whatever reason to use the beach like everyone else and dress to their own comfort level would be most in

I don’t like religions that tell women they have to dress a certain way to be appropriately modest, or that otherwise treats parts of the female body as especially evil. I also think religious freedom is important, and women are free to choose whether they want to believe in a religion that calls on them to dress

Some of us are advanced enough to tolerate a little bit of cognitive dissonance. Sometimes you have to defend the rights of people who wouldn’t defend your rights if the roles were reversed. It’s not always a comfortable place to be, but it’s the right place to be.

It’s not surprising to see the support for this coming from the far right. The socialists support it because their current government is historically unpopular (for terrorism and economic/labor reasons) and they have no viable election strategy for next year’s elections. The right is drawing voters middle voters

My thoughts as well. It’s like, let me get this straight; in order to prevent a patriarchal system from dictating what women can wear, you’re dictating and enforcing what women can wear, through the patriarchal system of law? There’s absolutely nothing feminist about this. It’s harassment and persecution from the

Although the belief that females should be modest completely offends me to my core, this is quite obviously fucked up. A government banning CLOTHES?! What kind of fucked up dystopia is this?

Liberté, égalité, fraternité, JK.