You can tell you have a really good point since absolutely no one starred it. You're an idiot.

PS - only about 50% of fans have the opposing view. It's 90% of players with the opposing view that are hard to trump.

I want to thank you for not giving me shit about the "there's not be scientific studies" sentence... I really need to read my own writing more carefully.

I'm right in the middle, but the more we see evidence of what the head trauma does to the players, the more the cost/benefit analysis (which is what the arguments about deterrence and providing a release valve really boil down to) shifts away from keeping fighting in the game.

Youtube vids won't play for me at work today (which is weird, we're not blocked, just won't work), so I had to go by the headlines and the USA Today gifs. I really think it's hard to compare a game where nearly all contact is against the rules to a game where in general contact is allowed (and encouraged). So, it's…

If internet comments aren't the place to talk about shit you don't know anything about, then where do you go for that?

There's a ten minute video of fights that supposedly happened this year:

There's a ten minute video of fights that supposedly happened this year:

Wanted to tack on some response to "aside from a few instances in the NFL..."

The wild success of GTA seems to indicate that a lot of people like murdering and robbing imaginary people. Maybe you should be scared of everyone. Or, maybe you should quit nitpicking internet comments.

I don't have to go back to 77 for an NBA fight, I just don't watch any basketball so I couldn't tell you the names of most guys in the league right now or anything that's happened since Artest fought some fans or whatever.

I'm not part of the crowd trying to say hockey fans don't enjoy fights. As a lifelong player and fan, I've been in them, I've cheered for them, and I'm losing some enthusiasm for it. But, I also understand that they may sometimes prevent a lot worse from happening. More fans want fighting banned than not now, but…

Anecdotal evidence FTW!

MMA?

Leaving the bench in hockey to enter a fight is also a mandatory suspension. Does that fuck up your thesis a little?

Right. Did you ask Rudy T about that? There have been plenty of big fights and cheap shots in basketball. Particularly considering that most contact is prohibited in that game.

substandard by the standards of the very best league in the world. Incidentally, roughly 49% of the players in the league are substandard by definition. You certainly wouldn't have your best players fight, so this is sort of a tautology. Even if pure goons are gone, if fighting is allowed and you have any say over…

That's like asking why Sidney Crosby isn't fighting. LeBron should never have to fight. But, I noticed you didn't use Ron Artest as an example.

This is a cop out answer, because you don't know of a study. I can be certain of that, because there's not be "scientific" studies. Just some regression analysis of statistics to try to prove or disprove it, but that's far from a scientific study. There's nothing peer reviewed, and nothing with a control group that…

Consequence free fighting is fun, it should be in the video game. Sort of like murder in the GTA games. When you're not murdering real people it can be kind of fun.