Nope. Nothing about them was memorable.

I think I’m more complaining about the 1.6L versus the 2.0L, really. The 1.6L will certainly get you around - but the 2.0L just has a lot more jam to it and makes the car a lot quieter and nicer overall. It downshifts a lot less, for instance.

Thing is, really nice, “basic” cars are entirely available right now. I drove a new Elantra recently - a $18,500 CAD brand new car with a great warranty - and I was blown away by how nice it was. Fairly loaded, Android Auto, the works.

It exists - there are _plenty_ of cars available, which would have been “loaded” in the 1990s, and they’re dirt cheap. Nissan Versa, Hyundai Accent, Toyota Yaris, etc. And if you want a really nice simple car, there’s the Elantra, Corolla, Fit, Civic, Cruze, Focus, Soul, ....(the list goes on, endlessly). Hell, you…

I manage a fleet, which has 22 Kia Soul in it, 2014-2017, both 1.6L and 2.0L. They’ve been awesome little cars. The drivers really like them, they’ve been great on fuel, and mechanically, only one thing has ever gone wrong with them — the screw which holds the lever which makes the driver’s seat go up and down, backs…

And what happens when gas spikes up to $4.45 / gallon? You can’t predict future fuel prices.

Yup. Jukes are a blast to drive, for what they are.

One of the early “spreadsheet cars”, where features were simply listed as “yes” or “no”.

That’s fair =) Sorry, I live in Vancouver, BC - so seeing 450s isn’t rare at all - they’re kinda everywhere here.

A fairly serious gas tax, added on during a time of cheap gas, would mean massive road repairs, major transit funding and civic upgrades. That would be something to be excited about.

Yup. Gas in Vancouver, BC is ~$1.44/L right now - or about $5.44 CAD / gallon. And that’s a fair number to use - we’re paid in CAD, and we don’t earn “an exchange rate different” money than the US. Plenty of that is tax.

It’ll use CAN between the ECU, the SRS unit, the gauge cluster, and the OBD2 socket.

Your Sierra likely has CAN too. Certainly the 2007 does. It’s branded as GMLAN, but principally, its CAN.

Sell the 450 (1st gen), and grab yourself a 451 ED Cabrio. You’ll absolutely love it.

They lower the possible crank speed, which is fine in a high torque, low RPM application. In the world of bikes, displacement, weight and insurance cost are directly related things. So you’re forced to have a high displacemt, therefore heavy engine, which leads to a hugely expensive insurance price, to have adequate…

Mine. A 2008 EX-L with a manual trans. It’s lovely. It’s not exciting in any way. It’s very comfortable, has been 100% reliable, is great on fuel, and is just a very pleasant every-day car. I have an S2000 as the weekend warrior - I don’t need (nor want) a harsh ride for my everyday commute.

Not really. You set the car to pre-heat before your trip while it’s still plugged in (you basically program in your commute and can do it via your phone). From there, the seat heaters and steering wheel heater make it pretty cozy.

This would have been an -expensive- “oops”. Taking an airliner up to altitude and back down is incredibly expensive in terms of fuel burn.

And every one of them has an “except for dialing 911 in the case of an emergency” exemption

oh jeez, heh... these have been buzzing around Vancouver for over a decade now. They were the hipster’s car of choice for quite some time. They’re more or less terrible once the novelty wears off...