Then it doesn’t sound like you’ve driven it. Like most of the performance cars in this category, F models aren’t just hp bumps over their lesser models. That’s like saying you drove a 3/4 series, so you know what the M version is like. It couldn’t be further from the truth.

Do you say this from experience?

They aren’t late 90s theories, they were very much reality. And that reality continued into the 2000s. The M line has had better build quality than others, but if you want to go on anecdotes, I have at least three which immediately come to mind, over the course of many more months.

It is a massive drop, but for some reason, people also think these things are trophy trucks.

They own a loan which trusts they can afford a car. It's a distinction without a difference.

They own a loan which trusts they can afford a car. It's a distinction without a difference.

Just because these things happen, doesn't mean we're okay with them. In fact, it has less to do with who is okay with anything, and 100% to do with who has the purse to leverage and lobby.

I don't really see anything suspicious. If it were a fender-bender, I could see sitting around being puzzled, looking at your car for damage.

And Mazda did no better with the 3rd gen, either. Don't get me started on when the rubber from the vacuum lines started to get old, brittle, and baked from the enormous engine/turbo heat...or snapping solenoids.

It depends which emissions you choose to measure.

It depends which emissions you choose to measure.

Yep, most modern cars I've seen tell you when it's low. And if you buy them new, the salesman should address how to access and start the car when the fob dies. I'm surprised GM wouldn't do this, given their tire pressure systems are "smart" enough to tell you which tire is low...but not a primary entry/start tool for…

I just keep my key fob in my pocket, like they're designed to be used. When not in use, I hang them on a key chain, in the same place my car keys used to be... In the decade+ that I've used them, I've never once come close to being stranded, much less any of the other issues listed.

The usual explanation is that the motor behaves like a 4.8l, or something along those lines.

I'm going to have to disagree. What Ferrari does isn't any more understandable than what Lexus is doing.

No, that wasn't a real "lease" program. They were trying to thwart speculators/flippers, so if you wanted to sell the car before a certain period, Toyota would get priority on buying it back, first. The car was 100% yours, and the people who bought the car, didn't care, because they understood the terms. The ones I've…

I agree with you and get what you were saying. ET is mainly about traction, while trap speeds tell us which car is faster. Skill greatly influences the first, but trap is usually all car. I think some people measure the "faster car (or driver)" by who crossed the line first (which is obviously/technically fine), while…

Also consider the car weighs nearly 5,000 lbs, and easily gets above that with a driver. All things considered, the ET isn't bad, but the trap speed is lacking.

No no, you had it right the first time. This is a sports car, be bold, stand out, shock the senses. :)

A summer tire is a type of tire that turns into a solid block and makes harsh skipping noises in anything below 50 degrees, on full lock. Can't mistake it.