I don't think it's fair to say that they express no interest in science. Who made Reverb's glasses?

1. Zoom existed as a villain while Jay still powered. Wells-2 suggested (via the particle accelerator explosion?) created Zoom.

But, Jay and Zoom were on two different earths (and Zoom was frozen for part of that time, and cold legitimately slows speedsters down), actually doing things, during this episode. To explain it as a speed mirage when Jay clearly is dependent on Velocity for his speed due to his disease stretches plausibility.

1. Didn't Jay refuse Velocity on Earth-1 until absolutely necessary and attempt to discourage Wells-2 from giving it to Barry? Seems inconsistent with Jay working for Zoom to make Barry faster.

I hope that something like this is right, and not any of these convoluted theories involving Jay.

For the life of me I don't understand how the Jay = Zoom theory has taken off. I guess it's possible, but it would be terrible writing.

The other thing that bothered me is that there's a meta from season 1 who stole Barry's speed, and Thawne/Wells took a blood sample. IIRC< they never did anything with that. A few weeks ago, Wells-2 mentioned being able to steal Barry's speed thanks to the Reverse-Flash and Turtle. If that allusion to the…

Well they've got this convoluted timeline business going on with the Reverse-Flash, so maybe they'll come back to it.

Unless there's a time travel element to the Eddie thing, that seems implausible because Zoom pre-existed the breaches and whatnot so there's no causal relationship between Eddie going through and Zoom's existence.

Just that future Barry said not to, but not why not to, but at least they have tried to establish that you don't mess with the timeline willy nilly.

1. Killer Frost and Deathstorm mentioned breachers as if they were a known thing in Earth-2, but this is the only time we've seen Earth-1 people breach, so presumably there have been interactions from other worlds.

I could certainly see her viewing him as a much greater defining piece of her identity that the other way around, given that her initial mission was to protect him. Which would explain why he's in the fantasy (but mostly silent, as an idea, not a character) even though they don't really interact that much on the show.…

I don't get the sense that they've established that they're *that* close though, although I could understand wanting him to have more of a role at least off-screen. (IIRC in the pilot, Kara/Kal weren't even texting, James was relaying Superman's messages to her and whatnot.) So his absence from her personal life never…

But that doesn't explain the Reverse Flash part, just the Turtle part.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Last week's episode seemed to suggest that Winn is about to complete the Duckie arc, after encouraging James to tell Kara about his feelings.

Interesting conjecture. I wonder where that would put Hank/J'onn.

Well, the problem is that it seems that they've established the opposite: that she wants him to keep a distance so that she can establish herself as a hero(ine) in her own right. (E.g., the Reactron episode.)

When Wells says

Look, it's not going to keep me up at night if you hate the movie. I actually enjoyed watching/listening to a lot of the more critical reviews. If you think that it failed in cinematic terms or even just didn't work for you as a Superman movie, that's fine. But that's different from reducing the explanation for not…

>>I'd argue that it is a bad Superman origin story.<<