Characters we like? You mean Shosh? Let's be honest, most of these people are awful and insufferable. We don't need to like them to enjoy watching them.

Desi is pretty awful, but he has nothing on Jessa. At least he's funny and entertaining. Jessa doesn't even have that, she lost her charm and is a shell of the woman she used to be. She used to be awful, but funny. Now she's just awful.

M***** R***! I just died and went to heaven!
How do you do the spoiler thingy?

An OD really does seem like the most honest and organic ending to Jessa's story. There really is nowhere to go from here for her.

I can't believe they made me feel bad for Desi.

Because Jessa is theactual worst. She has no redeeming qualities. Just all around garbage person

Toussaint is great, but she's also 56 years old. Unless she had been a child bride, it just wouldn't be believable to have her as Beth's mother.

1. Yes, you're right. I should have phrased it differently. I hate the "real amn" or "real woman" cliche, too. Kevin is selfish and inmature. My bad.
2. I don't excuse female characters' flaws. I've criticized Olivia plenty. Yes, I talk about the men on this show more because female characters aren't fully realized. We…

You clearly didn't understand that "real man" was sarcasm. What constitutes a real man to me? Being mature, responsible, dependable, emotionally strong and respectful. Kevin is none of those things.

You are being unnecessarily rude and condescending. I don't know if you noticed that a large number of posters in this discussion seem to agree with me. Others don't, but we are still having a very nice, reasonable discussion about those issues. It's called critical thinking. There is no reason to attack each other…

My husband is in his fourties. We've been together for 7 years. I wouldn't feel threatened by someone he dated briefly in his teens. I also didn't need to know all of his romantic/sexual history prior to meeting me except for the big things. Previous marriages or long-term relationships, history of infidelity, stds -…

Is it really relevant if she had sex with the guy or not? They dated for two months when she was 19, it obviously wasn't serious even if they slept together. She's been married to Jack for TWENTY YEARS, she's over 40 now. If I hung out with my high school boyfriend and my husband got jealous asks me to stop…

I'm not making excuses. Rebecca is not responsible for whether or not Ben is over her. She is only responsible for her own feelings and her own actions and she is not disrespecting her husband by associating herself with someone who may or may not have feelings for her if she doesn't reciprocate those feeling. If Jack…

On the aftershow they said that Jack likes being in control and doesn't like change. So it all checks out.

Yeah, it's mid-90's in the flashback now. Miguel mentioned Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park, which came out in 1993, though on the aftershow they said it's 1996, so maybe Miguel just now watched it on VHS. The kids are around the age they were at Jack's funeral. 9/11 was 2001, so it really wouldn't work.

I understand she will need to deal with other people eventually and the world is not going to accomodate her needs to make her more comfortable. But those other people are not her partners and don't owe her emotional support. Toby is, and does.
Also, the beginning of the fat loss journey is the hardest. It will get…

Jane the Virgin produces plenty emotion without being so emotionally mannipulative and over the top. Same goes for The Leftovers and lots of other shows.

Kevin and Sophie went to school together. He said they went on a field trip to NYC and went to that diner.

Field trip.
I guess the fat camp must be somewhere in Upstate New York. Or maybe even Long Island.

It's always the sweet, innocent ones, the ones you least expect. She seemed off to me from the beginning.