Nah, see, its a vent to the rear window, to let air pass over it to prevent it from fogging up.

That's kind of what I've been seeing with all of the presentations: PS4 is going to win right now because its what gamers are used to, but the X1 is paving the way for the future of the industry, in ways that already make the PS4 look outdated.

Huh, that's interesting regarding not using Steam. I figured at this point Steam was synonymous with Glorious Master Race. Ah well, learn something new every day.

Yeah, that's a good counter argument when you step past the games, and its gonna be subjective to everyone.

The argument is that if PS4 can play most games, but the X1 can play all of those games plus a raft of exclusives, the X1 would be the better buy.

The lower portion is always the most interesting bit, if you know what I mean.

I'M AGREEING WITH YOU, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

I think you're missing my point. Those players all suck, and continue to suck after leaving the Pats (or they retired, furthering the point). Thus, the Pats got all the value they could from those players before cutting them loose.

Did it? In the beginning the guy said it was a live demo...

Actually, I'm pretty sure they squeezed the maximum value out of all of them.

That smell was me shitting my pants.

OK, then by your definition, no modern electronic device that plugs into a wall is ever truly off while still being plugged (exception being computer due to the physical power toggle on the PSU?). And you're just arguing semantics at this point.

I'm sure they would, however if you've paid attention to all of the news coming out, the Kinect is able to recognize and differentiate between voices, and I'd bet they'd have an option that only allowed it to be turned on by a designated voice.

Cool, I'll buy yours then.

Its a good line of thought, and Microsoft has stated publicly that they are experimenting with using the Kinect to somehow fuel targeted advertisements (another annoying hot topic, which really only means you'd be getting ads more relevant to you, instead of, idk, diaper ads next to alcohol ads or something). So yeah,…

I dunno what you don't understand about "completely off." You will be able to turn the X1 off in the same way you can turn a computer off, with no Wake-on-device listeners, if that's what you want. Or, you can turn it to standby mode, where it sits and listens for input to turn back on.

Not necessarily. A lot of laptops come with standby as the default power button action, and require a long press to shut it down (besides using the OS shutdown method). I just think people/various media went a tad overboard with speculation.

I don't think it was Microsoft confusing anyone, I think it was people like us going on rampant speculation based on admittedly minimal information.

Yeah, and there is a way to turn it completely off.