“The 2021 Halcyon 450 starts at $13,500.”

Don’t hold your breath. I can’t imagine prices ever reaching that low for a Honda bike. 

It’s cheaper.

Whichever format porn chooses is the one that survives. 

They have issues with both their customer base, and their dealership network. My favorite bike of theirs (despite it’s downfalls) was the Street/Street rod 750.

what part of a furlong is that?

I’ve been saying for a while that Harley should look to Triumph as a model. Everyone knows about the Triumph modern classic range, but they also have great ADV bikes and roadsters. I love me some retro vibe, but I have to say that my Street Triple was my favorite bike ever.
Which brings us back around to the business…

I was also a fan of the Bangle era. I even got to question the man, himself, once! I was impressed by him, in addition to his design.

lol

Ryan is fantastic and almost always right, even if he does ride an adventure couch. 

look at the pan america..... harley looks like it’s doing it right. 

Ryan over on FortNine described perfectly Harley’s predicament though: Harley buyers. They don’t want modernized anything, and every time in history Harley has tried to do something modern, the market has abandoned them hard. They’re pretty much damned if they do, damned if they don’t, but at least in the latter case…

Triumph did all of that without a crystal ball during the 2003-09 time frame that Harley owned Buell. Yes, they were technologically ahead of the curve - but that wasn’t the thing holding them back. They made awesome streetfighters and a very competent ADV bike - the market all those types of bikes grew significantly…

putting the volume and ac controls on a stupid ass screen. 

It’s as nice as a Nissan, if that’s what they were aiming for

For what it’s worth I’m Eastern Band Cherokee and I love the brand. I have a kawasaki vulcan with a chief front fender and I hope to buy a scout later this spring. I can’t speak for a thousands of different cultures (or more accurately, nationalities and ethnicities), let alone each individual, but to me the Indian…

Picture it: Jersey...1998...

Ignoring the charges implies tolerance. An auto company can’t afford to do that.

“...like a 10 year old Blofeld...”

Get with the times my man. Everything is racist.