Or there is this Ferrari Mondial for 38.9k. Basically the same car.

Well, if you’re purposely going to miss the back seat, why not a used F-Type? This one is a manual, standard F-Type for 33k

LOL...Freeze up? I had to turn on the a/c again today.

LOL...Freeze up? I had to turn on the a/c again today.

Actually, an SUV is harder to get in and out of for some people. My mother in law for instance would need to be picked up and placed inside. But she can sort of fall backwards into the seat of the hatchback I now own easily enough.

Give the Veloster a try. I test drove the N and it was great fun. 

I took a test drive in the Veloster N last month and really enjoyed it. The biggest downside to it vs other hatchbacks is the hatch opening is smaller than most so it loses a tiny bit of functionality there.  But it would make for a fun daily driver.

I thought kids wanted hip not flop.

We can do it faster and probably should. We also could produce more than enough electricity to power the entire world with offshore windfarms before then if we made it our priority. And at the same time we could harden our grid which is something we desperately need to do before the shift in the ele tromagnetic field…

I should add that the site runs fine on Mobile Opera, just not the desktop version.

Your ignorance on the subject shows. The reason I have all of the top browsers installed is so I can test the code I write on all of them to insure everything works no matter which browser users choose. That is and has been SOP for conscienscious developers forever. I have never run into an issue getting my code to…

I do web development and use all of the top tier browsers. Opera IS one of the best. Maybe before you post next time, you think.

Of course not or I wouldn’t be giving them away.

I don’t care one way or the other. My house gets closed on next month and I’ll have a pocket full of cash so I need to know: can it trailer? And does anyone want my kids? They cook and do dishes and can mow a lawn, but they won’t fit in the trailer or the car so they gots to go.

You must not have been around back then. The sight problems in those old cars were different, but no less bad, especially for people of below average height. And while you may have been able to see the front corners you still had to add a foot to them for the bumpers you couldn’t see. And I can’t begin to tell you how…

Short people. Not my problem. Besides, I learned to drive in a 70's era 4 door caddy. Unless we're talking about parrellel parking the USS Nimitz, I don't think I'll have a problem.

Can we get it as an N. 

Waymo is only 10% of the way there and still requiring human intervention. Why on earth is that cause for trusting them?

You aren’t doing a thing to help your argument. They aren’t ready yet. So far, among all the companies trying to get there, they are above the 1.8 deaths per 100 million miles. Test rats. That’s all we are. Face it.

They certainly aren’t ready yet by their own admissions.

“According to reports, human intervention for autonomous vehicles was needed every 13 to 5,600 miles (21 to 9,000 km) on average.”

No one is at level 4 autonomy yet. And I should have written 5, not 4. What is going on now is they are all using the public as test rats.