It’s so ugly that the needle spins around to the cute side.

O ho ho. I was served this argument by my teacher back in 1982 or so. It struck me as incredibly moronic even back then.

Agreed. It is just that steel is not far behind.

I wasn’t speaking of fiberglass boats. We spent a year designing a littoral ship that met the design goal - being as light as a same size composite boat, but in stainless steel.

As a mechanical design engineer that do a lot of structural stuff, I am not that impressed by composites.

My 2011 C180 wagon = 1556 kg.
Almost identically sized 1974 Volvo 245 = 1270 kg. Both RWD 1.8L I4.

Why not go balls out and really make a truck, not a fat-ass estate?

THIS VERY MUCH APPEALS TO MY SENSE OF PLEASURE

? I was not aware that Ducati was struggling, their media presence is nothing but positive.

My Buick had an EXIT button on the electric seat adjustment panel that caused the driver’s seat go the farthest back and down, making getting out of the car much more difficult for old and fat people.

Best grip rear. Always. Regardless.

“Bugatti: making high speed boring since 2005"

Not cars but motorcycles: Two-stroke sound on a four-stroke bike (Terminator 2). The sound of an inline-4 on a V-twin Ducati (Venom). Suddenly springing motocross suspension on a sportsbike, for gnarly aerobatic moves (every movie). The sound of full acceleration through four gears, and then the driver just turns into…

You can probably save a Dodge Hellcat for them and they’ll still go “What is this slow, noisy crap? My god, it smells like roasted turds - what is that? ‘Pet ro leum’? It runs on liquids!?!”

Being a mechanical design engineer - yes. Though not for aesthetic purposes. And whenever I do, it ends up so terrible that I scrap it and call a real designer.

I quote myself from the 2020 Silverado thread, because I figure I may be on to something:

I don’t understand the design language of these type of cars. It is obvious that manufacturers have no clue either, throwing spaghetti on the wall to see if it sticks.

That fun cars can have a seriously deleterious effect on your economy.

If you want to sell cars to raggare in Sweden, be sure to misspell the name of your car even though you see it in print every day.

See my response to Rude Negro.