I mean Tories are literally saying the queen should step in with all the brexit shit. I mean sure it’s not like she has unilateral power but it’s still a monarch as head of state, an unelected chamber of government with hereditary peerages and elite aristocracy and all of that has massive conservative impact.

I mean when the alternative is enslavement, rape, genocide then progressives are often fine with a muscular foreign policy.

You’re bang on about Killmonger not questioning the gov and I was sloppy to suggest so. Fair point. He wants that unilateral power which is bad, it’s also bad that the unilateral power is still in play at the end as a good thing making it conservative not progressive. Monarchy is alive and well in the UK for example…

Not occupying Africa is pretty weak as a defense especially considering there’s still a tonne of US troops and bases there. Killmonger is the only to question and take action which is the key thing here. The only one willing to do anything is shown as a psychopathic murderer.

Yes its a convention that’s pro a very conservative view point. Like you’re agreeing it’s conservative but saying it’s OK because it’s drama. Which sure but it’s still conservative to not get rid of the monarchy and have the only person genuinely question it be the villain.

Not absolve and not alone, but having your heroes team up with the CIA, not take any action against e.g The US, UK, France etc and having the villain who is shown as superevil be the one making the quite justifiable critique certainly whitewashes (pun intended) a lot.

“At which point the “nuh-uh” came in,”

In the service of a conservative pro-monarchy (at the very least) narrative. A sneakily smart if grim bit of PR.

Aside from the fact even your mis-characterization doesn’t make sense you really do need to re-read. I offered an argument which you ended up agreeing with despite yourself. Once that happened you tried to get snarky and even struggled with that.

Robert Arryn’s favourite film is The Unicorn Store.

Have a re-read. I didn’t offer anything. You otoh declined to argue your points.

I accept you conceding. Be well.

Presumably you disagree because you can point out why it’s progressive in a way that hasn’t been shown to be untrue.

Yeah you ever think the way it’s set up so the only solution is the CIA friendly one is specific deck stacking to make it so? Like that’s a perfect encapsulation of why the film isn’t progressive. It’s pro elite rule, pro CIA and anti-revolution against war criminals.

Your first response suggests it’s actually progressive. It’s not for reasons explained before your response and after it. 

Huh? The people calling it progressive are differentiating it from other films because they think it’s progressive.

Right which means all the crowing about it being progressive is total nonsense.

Well no not everything she can as she doesn’t take over Wakanda in order use it’s incredible power to gain justice for an entire continent. That’s almost the least someone that close to that level of power can do when faced with the abominable actions of the nations that have carved up, pillaged and murdered all over…

No I’m saying the only one to express discontent is the villain because he is the only one who does anything about it. I don’t think putting quotes around things I haven’t said is helpful here.

Putting the responsibility on a Wakanda for stopping centuries of real world theft, genocide and slavery and making them eventual allies with the major countries who did all that shit isn’t a progressive or heroic outcome.