wtf that looks awful are all full sized trucks this unsafe?

And who the hell would choose to buy new if theyre taking it offroad

just buy a tacoma

hes right boxsters dont use nearly the same quality of suspension components as true supercars even from posrche. And if were talking stock to stock obviously the 20 year old c5 is inferior, but handles almsost as well. The average middle aged mans built c5 will give a new stock boxster the WORKS.

I mean, hes right...

I agree, but also think that in the segment that its in (Which is very limited since the germans of this size are expensive as hell) is so stale that it wont make a difference how good it is. You could get a nicely equipped hyundai genesis for less (Another large but not as expensive luxury sedan), or a taurus SHO or…

id say the zero likes speaks for itself

Its not even funny how much better looking the new f150 is than the new titan. And im not even a ford guy (I think the newest silverados before the front facelift look amazing)

a 2 door version of a 4 door version of a 2 door version of a 4 door car (3 series)...oh my god thats actually the most complicated one yet. It would basically be a clownshoe then though right?

I dont understand though theres nothing unrefined about it. Australian build quality, motor will last forever, and amazing handling with magnetic ride control. And if you fix the looks by just putting nice wheels on it its way faster and more practical than an ATS

you do know that thats not a name but the type of car it is?

Because theyre in the exact same segment??? are you retarded?

I drive an 03 pathfinder. Probably the most stable of the 90s designed suvs ive driven. Ive owned two 02 4runners that were way tippier and the trooper I drove was also terrible compared to my pathy.

This acting like the SS is ugly thing is so played out. With just aftermarket wheels and different offset it looks fucking sweet. If you are an enthusiast and paying that much money for a sports sedan, the SS is extremely affordable and you can upgrade the looks as you see fit with not that much extra money.