My point is that within that framework it’s still beyond plausibility that they could have won. Even completely impossible that they could have invaded and occupied the U.S. mainland.

It was never close. At all. Even if Normandy had failed or Moscow had fallen, it would have just extended the war. The Allies were already on in Europe.

Nope. War between Russia and Germany was inevitable. He just attacked preemptively. It’s also implausible because he only attacked France to get them off his back so he would be free to attack Russia. Attacking Russia was the entire plan for the war. To say “if only he hadn’t attacked Russia” is to say “if only the…

It never would have been too late. The war was lost for the Axis before it began.

No Nazi Germany was so far behind when it came to resources and their technology was laughably bad compared to the allies. So no, not possible.

A lot of really bright people think a lot of dumb stuff. There was less than zero chance of it happening. Completely implausible.

I understand the hand-wavy way he did it, but it’s not remotely plausible.

By armchair historians maybe. Not anyone who knows history.

You called me an “armchair patton”. Sounds like a personal insult to me.

That doesn’t mean they would be open to occupation. That’s a huge jump.

Nope, none of those scenarios are remotely plausible. Sorry. If you want I can explain why each one was, but not to argue. If you’re genuinely curious, I’ll do it.

Yea no. Your insults aren’t working and I have no idea what your credentials are. My expertise is in European history. And I don’t know what your credentials are; I only know that anyone who holds the viewpoints you hold and is ridiculous. Germany’s tactics were advanced, but their technology on a scale was far…

You make some good points, but once you dig deeper you you understand that Germany had no choice to attack Russia and Japan had no choice either (but more of a choice). Russia and Germany were always on a collusion course and Germany would have been attacked by Russia within two years anyway. Japan was choked off from…

Germany did have some specific technological advancements that were ahead of the allies, but they not only did not scale them well, but they lacked the industrial capabilities to put them into practice. Additionally, they lacked some very basic and key technological advancements, such a the ability to industrialize…

Not for anyone with a knowledge of the economics and politics of the period (i.e. anyone with a working knowledge of history). The Germans were laughably behind technologically, vastly outnumbered, and had no ability to project power overseas. Anyone who says the Germans were technically superior are just falling for…

I agree, but it’s a huge jump to go from isolationism to losing the war and an even bigger jump to go from that to somehow Germany and Japan invading and occupying the U.S. From what I’ve heard, it doesn’t explain it convincingly (at least not for anyone with any knowledge of history), it just sort of hand-waves it…

That just makes it more implausible. The Nazi’s had no ability to nuke D.C. even if they had a nuke. And even if they had nuked it, it would have lead to peace, not an invasion and occupation of the U.S. mainland. That’s where it breaks down.

That’s ridiculous. It’s simplistic and arbitrary to somehow link rampant racism and antisemitism to a military defeat in WWII. It’s a huge stretch. A military defeat in WWII was virtually impossible and an invasion and occupation of the U.S. by the AXIS powers is so beyond possibility that I can’t imagine one…

Still wouldn’t have been possible. At best they could have forced a peaceful solution by bombing England. They had no delivery system capable of crossing the Atlantic and even if they did, occupation is another story.

True...but as I said above: Even if they had a nuclear bomb it wouldn’t have been plausible. Germany had no delivery system capable of delivering it. Their ability to project overseas was terrible. Additionally, going from an arial bombardment to occupation is a huge leap.