I was just gonna say the same thing. Any time you start saying "if this was a woman doing what this man is doing...." (or vice versa) you know you're about to make a false equivalency. You can still go ahead with the rest of the sentence, but it's not going to be like "well, if a cat person acted like that dog person"…

How about being friends with women you are not attracted to? Or how about not hanging around women who are mean, who enjoy using their sexual power to humiliate? We aren't all the same, you know. Gosh, do you mean to say you didn't know that? Perhaps stop reading manosphere blogs.

'Putting in effort'? Is that how you see a friendship with a woman? do you 'put in effort' with male friends?

Cant you see that the girl JUST WASN'T ATTRACTED TO YOU? There is no rhyme or reason for it. Yes, you were a gentleman. You were kind to her. You were reliable and decent. None of this can ever make you sexually attractive. Nothing can. It just happens.

I think what you are saying is different to what Jeff is saying. He is, although he doesnt seem to think so, saying women aren't people and that men wouldnt ever bother with them of they didnt have a nice warm place.

You said yourself "why would a man talk to a woman if not to get to fuck her " paraphrasing. You said men 'put the time in' to be women's friends, because its a chore to be got through to get sex.

Jesus did you really just say that? Why would you want to be friends with a woman if not for sex?

Essentially, you are saying men and women can't be friends. That if a man approaches you in any way, its because he is ultimately interested in your body and everything else is just leading up to that. And women don't say 'no' because he isn't good enough. It is because they are not attracted and why is always a…

Sexual attraction for women is very mysterious. Despite what guys think, it is nothing to do with what car they drive. That can make a woman ACT aroused, cant make it happen. Likewise how nice, or even how good-looking he is. You can admire a good looking man, but..it is, as Cher says, in the kiss. It's whnen he…

And furthermore, few women would talk to any guy about being with other guys. When we say 'friendship' it mostly doesnt mean going on about sex with someone else. Indeed, that would seem inappropriate to me. Unless a guy is actually asking for details of your break-up and acting like he wants to console you…and I…

It isnt the same thing at all. Openess shouldnt be interpreted as caring and affection. It should be interpreted as friendship. And you cannot cuckold someone unless you are married tothem. Why is it impossible for a man to take the friendship offered, add the girl to a list of friends and look elsewhere for romance?

why do you call it 'the next level'? So friendship is a lower level?

It's so horrible, isn't it? I sat talking to a guy once in a bar, such a funny conversation…then I had to leave…and when I stood up smiling and said goodbye..was actually going to say 'hope to see you again', he slammed his glass down and said 'that was a waste of an hour'.

As if he should simply withstand to urge to eat, or drink, or sleep, or have sex, whilst in your presence.

I always thought "manipulative fake niceguy creep" pretty much said it.

I got MOM ZONED the other day by a guy I am interested in. That felt shitty.

One of my male friends actually said to me "we all [as in, every guy I knew] think of you like our sister!" and I was like "Great, just what I was going for..." Like, out of the gate I'm their sister, and not even really female in their heads. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. Or not, as is actually the case.

If you were dating and he said he wanted to downgrade to friendship status, that is not the same as being "friend-zoned." Being friend-zoned is when (in the victimized mind of the person using the term) the guy (it's usually a guy) wants to date the girl, but instead of asking her out he tries to be her friend. Then…

Guys, when given the option of perhaps dating me, have always wanted to stay friends or at least on friendly terms.

That's because it's false equivalency. Women face the accumulation of millenia of bigotry and hatred designed to justify oppression. Justin Beiber, however, is a privileged young white dude high-handing his arrogant ass from whorehouse to whorehouse. He's not going to face the kind of vicious sliming that has driven…