@4 cam torino: I'm not looking for a contrarian point of view. I'm looking for a point of view where the conclusion logically follows the premise.

@danio3834: The ice resurfacer being used may be unreliable, but it has nothing to do with it being electric powered. You're misidentifying the cause of the problem and jumping to an incorrect conclusion.

@bearslayer: "Problems with the lever that lowers the blade to resurface the ice and leave it smooth nearly derailed the men's 500-metre event Monday".

I'm sorry, but nothing in any of the information provided even comes close to implying that the problem with the ice resurfacers unable to form a proper ice surface is a fault of the electric drive. Certainly nothing in that video would indicate that a propane powered ice resurfacer would be immune to the same…

@Nurburgring: Even if you're tracking it, that 14 mph isn't useful unless you're doing an open-road race. And, for my money, I'd rather have a tuner Audi too. But, as long as someone out there will buy it, why not sell it to them.

@Blitzschnell: Yeah, if I had the money, I'd rather send it to a tuner for something truly ridiculous. But, I suppose there are people out there who'd rather keep it all Audi, and think that the interior appointment upgrades are worth it.

@Nurburgring: It may be lost on GM customers, but some people are comfortable paying more money for a car with a nicer interior.

@DoctorNine: Wow, it sounds like a spindle failure might be worse than a little unintended acceleration.

@Triborough: They've got a way to go before they can compete for THAT poor quality crown.

@Lost in the age of Aerostar: If Toyota has a perch on a pedestal, it's because they put themselves there by making affordable, quality products. The quality may not be as high now, but once you get your pedestal it's generally yours until you do something stupid to lose it. It's not Toyota's fault that Detroit lost…

@jpech: Except for all the Toyota-hating conspiracy theorists claiming that something must be wrong with the drive-by-wire, even though they have absolutely no evidence of such. This really wouldn't be such a big story around here, except everyone at Jalopnik has such a hardon for ripping on Toyota.

And what about the wannabe-edgy near-luxe that is Cadillac?

@jpech: I think it'd be interesting to look at the number of computer-controlled systems used in healthcare to see their reliability in a use that even more directly impacts a person's well being.

@MushyHeirloom: You're right. If the engineering is shit, all of these systems are bad. And traction control is hardly electronic nannying either. If the wheels are spinning, more throttle isn't going to help, and a traction control computer can modulate that better than a human can.

@TR3-A: Seriously? You're pining for the days of a single brake circuit for the front and rear wheels? You are aware that there's a reason that NOBODY is even ALLOWED to do this anymore.

@grzydj: It's nice to see someone not jump on the bandwagon.

@duurtlang: ABS is good, traction control is good, electronically controlled engines are good, electronically controlled suspensions are good, electronically controlled torque-vectoring differentials are good.

@duurtlang: ABS is ALWAYS good. If you think you can control your brakes to prevent wheel slip better than an ABS system can, you're wrong. The people who rail against all these electronic systems are the wannabe racecar drivers and internet badasses who think they're better than the computer.