I wouldn’t take the buyback. I’d just drive the damn thing until it came apart. There is no such thing as a “green” or “clean” car, there never was. Every car ever made, ever will be made, comes with an environmental cost. Exactly what form and magnitude that cost takes varies according to the technologies…

Does anyone have more detailed info on the Honda team’s penalty, and their reaction to it?

Yes, yes we are.

Peterhansel might be the champ but he is a grade A douchenozzle.

Alright well let’s take your car and crush it to on, that sounds fair since you want to do the same to hundreds of thousands of people’s cars.

I live in a place where about 70% of new cars (and all commercial vehicles) are diesel and where despite the interminable tales of dieselgate these figures aren’t changing*. What should we do instead?

Seriously. Where are the droves of journalists and internet commentariate that are up in arms about power output of the Miata? Here’s the Jalopnik timeline for the 86.

Meh. My car makes 240HP from 2.0 liters, naturally aspirated (and it isn’t even direct-injection). And if I want to see birds, I can put the damn top down.

BRZ was just so close - honestly, the S2000's power is what the BRZ should have had as a baseline. The extra 20% obviously isn’t big power, but it’s enough to be a…

Counterpoint: not everyone wants a larger (and heavier) car just to have more power.

So this is just for the gen3 motors, with the adBlue system. That was kind of the ‘low hanging fruit’ of this issue. If this took more than a year, how long for the ‘we don’t need urea to comply’ motors?

It might not affect fuel economy, but it’ll surely affect performance.

And not a declared war anywhere to be found.

“They can also take their hands off the steering wheel for “long periods” of time while the car it driving itself.”

“Go ahead, take your hands off the wheel. A 5-series steering wheel hasn’t given any feedback in the past 7 years anyway”

Details are vague regarding exactly what the 5 Series prototype uses to drive itself, but BMW calls it “highly automated.”

We actually have 2-3 carriers fewer than we need to meet our operational commitments.

Yes, but not as much as: “...violent motion that bang’s the pilot’s helmet around...”

Yet they scrapped the F-22 for this for being “over budget”.

It’s four by four, not four by oar.

When you’re running from Charlie, you leave things behind.