That, that would not shock me. Someone is.

Which, I kinda hope they never take the skies unless its to defend US assets in Turkey since that government may as well be sharing its wifi password with Daesh.

It’s a violation of the Geneva Convention.

To fair to him, is there a member of a military service anywhere on earth who wouldn’t say exactly what their superiors told them to in a similar situation?

Based on what I’ve heard from US airmen who have been stationed at our base in Kirkuk, yes, I do believe that. Admittedly, what I’ve heard is about a decade out of date, but they talked about a pretty messy hierarchy, with a lot of bribery going on and outright theft of quite large equipment and a general disinterest…

ISIS is selling oil from Turkish ports to foreign tankers.

This may be news to you but enemies do not trade oil and weapons. So I conclude that Turkey and ISIS are not enemies.

Yah, how would you get a boomer through Bosphorous unnoticed and unflattened by a cargo ship.

You lie effortlessly, almost as if you were born to do it.

How many times has Turkey violated Syrian air space in the past five years? How many of these ISIS and assorted other terrorists enjoy direct financial and logistical support from Turkey? Would the world miss Turkey if it was wiped off the map?

Not only are the pilots dead, they were shot when they were parachuting down.

Currently NATO needs Turkey more than Turkey needs NATO. That won’t be the case if things escalate. Firstly, Erdogan is an Islamist, who would much rather bomb the Kurds than act against IS. Like the Saudis, he opposes Assad’s regime and supports several rebel orgs which are not exactly the nice kind. Germany already…

sound like turksmen killed the parachuting pilots

If you’re not advocating for regime change, then what are you arguing for, then? Why exactly shouldn’t Russia (and all those truly against ISIL) support Assad - the sole internationally recognized leader of Syria - in his efforts to exterminate ISIL?

Where is the rationale to support these “rebels” who are against…

Turkey shot down the Russian plane because ISIS is largely Turkey’s proxy terrorist army (along with Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar). Russia has actually been attacking ISIS heavily despite the misinformation you’ll regularly read to the contrary, which is why Turkey undertook this blatant act of provocation.

The map is misleading, as Turkey unilaterally extended its border 5 miles into Syria for a “security buffer”, which this map shows as the border. But the real internationally recognized border is 5 miles to the north. This is why Turkey insists Russia violated its airspace while Russia insists their plane was in…

Pilots were shot at by the rebels while parachuting from their plane. Pretty much war crimes were now committed by rebels, which Turkey has been supporting, and they will now have consequences to deal with. Also, the narrative that they were in Turkish airspace is suspect, and more along the lines that Russia was in…

I love this fantasy, as if all you “regime changing morons” advocating for Syrian regime change actually have somebody lined up to replace Assad.

That regime change strategy really worked out well for stability and security in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Iran, Ukraine,....

Oh yes sure...“defending it’s airspace” - from a lone Su-24 operating over Syria. Only a moron would see anything good out of this situation. I suspect escalation is on the way now, we’ll see how ‘brave’ Turkey is when faced with the backlash.