In what way? If not any, where are you drawing a line and why?

Yeah I was wrong about Washington law, and I agree with you. You make a good point about semantics and the term sexual predator. I do think his actions count as rape, but the barriers to recognizing that (publicly and legally) are, a) consent is typically defined in black and white terms, and b) the stigma and…

Your distinctions are ultimately arbitrary, which is the big problem with calling this rape. What specifically makes this different than lying in other situations, that will not apply to those other situations? Money? (And to be fair, there was no direct expectation of money, they did not expect to get paid for the…

Right, so now we are back to any sort of deception is rape. Married but day you are not? Rape. Weigh 150 but say 140. Rape. Say you love someone when you don’t? Rape. Rape rape rape, now it’s lost all meaning.

Lying about your job isn’t the same as pretending to be your twin.

They did not think they were having sex with a woman named Deja Stwalley. That’s how. If they did, you’d have a point.

You are being obtuse and it’s making you look like an idiot.

This is what Marcotte brought up in her post a few years back - there is indeed a slippery slope when it comes to “misrepresentation”. I think, in our guy, we all agree that posing as an anonymous stunt cock under the employment of a fictional porn recruiter in order to produce a portfolio piece qualifies as “over the…

Based on what the article said about Washington’s laws, technically this was rape by the third degree.

Would the women have consented to sex if they knew the man posed as a fake woman, knew that he was taking photographs of them for free for his own personal use, and knew that they were having sex to please him for free (the women presumably were acting)? If they did not know those things, they did not have a full…

My understanding is that it’s even worse than that. In that case it supposedly was “forcible” rape, it’s just that the woman’s case got used as a political tool, which is where the whole rape by deception thing came from. The only reason the dude got prosecuted was because he supposedly pretended to be Jewish, the…

In WA, it’s not. And in this particular case, I disagree.

right like if you have fake titties and you say they're real... Rape

Not surprising that something wrong happened to a Palestinian in israel

I read an in-depth article on that case, and it turned he didn’t even pretend to be Jewish, he just never said that he wasn’t. It was a really fucked up, race-based conviction, and it’s disturbing how it always comes up in discussions of rape-by-deception because it’s absolutely terrible example to use in favor of it.

I think it is taking advantage, but not necessarily rape. Let’s face it, guys and girls lie all the time (sad, but true) about who they are and what they do to have sex with someone.

I believe there was a case in Israel where a Palestinian pretended to be Jewish to sleep with a Jewish girl and was charged with rape for it, which also seems a bit...wrong for lack of a better word.

Yeah, that’s more being a victim of fraud rather than rape. Not saying that having sex with a drunk person who may not be able to fully consent is acceptable but if they’re choosing not to focus on that aspect, fraud seems like the only other avenue.

They are not claiming they were too drunk to consent and only thought of it as rape when it turned out there were no jobs.

If someone pretends to be rich and then isn’t, is that rape too now? What if they use a fake name?

I’m surprised nobody is talking about the moving in-game tributes each team payed to the passing of Muhammad Ali. The Warriors floated like a butterfly while the Cavs seemed to have died 48 hours earlier.