they pretty much showed the 'cost and benefits of doing evil stuff cos you're paranoid and scared'. that was the theme… I mean, alright, Adams showing up was a bit contrived but the clear conclusion here was not that 'mwhahaha he was evil all along!' but that torturing him cos you are paranoid turned out to be…

self absorbed, obnoxious teenager is self absorbed, obnoxious just like the writers intended to portray her. Its almost like she is a good actor or something?

I agree they share the same flaws but the parent show is better for having a wider cast that allowed for more diverse scenarios (of course all in the narrow confines of zombie apocalypse survivalism). But really FTWD season 1 was just a shorter version of the farm in TWD in terms of flaws.

All I can say is hurry up with the Hiro appearance so I can stop watching.

I have already dealt with this elsewhere in the thread. So Im just copying and pasting my answer:

no offence my friend (cos I don't mean to imply you here) but the AV Club comment section in general is proof that audiences aren't that sophisticated. There are exceptions and they are many in number (present company included :) ) I guess I see this very different and not confined to this show. It happens across a…

There are valid criticisms to make of the show such as the time skip, definitely. However, the majority of the criticism still boils down to peoples expectations not meeting the reality. As I said, that's fine as far as it goes but it runs out of gas fairly fast where it just becomes alot of people painfully showing…

There are valid criticisms to make of the show such as the time skip, definitely. However, the majority of the criticism still boils down to peoples expectations not meeting the reality. As I said, that's fine as far as it goes but it runs out of gas fairly fast where it just becomes alot of people painfully showing…

It's still a perfectly logical reaction. The only direct experience was with the neighbours and after that she has been locked up in the safe zone with no direct contact for 9+ days. What do you expect the (obviously spoiled) teenager to do? Choke out a National Guard and steal his weapon/ammo? Grab a humvee and head…

Well the problem is that the writers are trying to do X and people are wishing/expecting to see Y. They then project Y onto characters that are doing X. When the conflict between X and Y arises in the show people are saying hey! this show sucks! that scene is inconsistent! that act doesn't make sense!

''I think people like that he has the most realistic expectations about the current situation out of everyone.''… Yes and my point is that this a complete projection on the part of everyone which is distorting most people's interpretation of the show. I think this is a huge problem in general with most criticisms of…

I think one of the problems is almost everyone has latched on to Salazar as the 'best' or most 'likeable' character. They have presumed that he is this 'badass hero'. it is my belief that the writers never intended for Salazar to be the chief protagonist and didn't forsee him becoming so liked among the fans. So alot…

The point is that Adams was telling Salazar he would say everything but Salazar didn't believe him. and why would he? We in the audience were led to believe that Adams was telling the truth but Salazar doesn't know this. Moreover from Salazar's perspective - as an experienced interrogator - this was a clear red flag.…

You missed the part where I dismissed the disinfo as unnecessary for what the writers are trying to do. You also don't seem to understand Salazar's Character which is not the same as his actions being nonsensical. He is an experienced interrogator. He has been shown to be mistrustful of the military intervention…

There was no way for him to confirm if Adams was telling the truth about his wife. If he goes to where Adams says his wife is held, what's he going to see? A Large guarded compound, no guarantee his wife is in there. He can't just walk up to the gate uninvited and demand to see her. Indeed, maybe Adams is setting him…

Yes he was checking out the story. it was clear Adams was willing to blab anything he knew before any torture began. To an experienced interrogator this would have been a red flag. In real life interrogation/torture scenarios the victim will always tell something. Experienced interrogators/torturers know that when…

Is it illogical? These are supposed to be teenagers (roughly 15,16?) While yes it would have made sense to have Alicia acknowledge in some way Nick's removal this episode, she has so far been completely sheltered from everything that has happened outside the safe zone, so expecting her to go all badass survivalist…

Wouldn't it have been great if that scene where Madison goes into the basement looking for Alicia really did end up with a Zombie Alicia, dead from suicide,jumping out and attacking her?

I think you are misreading the trope. Torture is usually handled badly but I thought in this case they actually did a good job. TV has created an idea that people will stoically hold out only to 'bravely' give in at the last moment/when the torture becomes unbearable. Whereas in real life, people will blab…