From what I have seen that is pretty much exactly what the Ecoboost can do with a good driver. 13.8 for a OK driver that goes a few times a year.

“I’m a race fan!*”

*“My wallet is a fan of money.”

I am really considering a Fiat 500e since I have chargers at work and home. I live in the hills so I really need to test this, but I think the downhill side of my drive could negate a lot of the uphill. 

Could just be the area, one of my friends buys and sells a lot of GT500s and he was saying its all mostly old guys who never drive them anywhere trying to turn a profit on the cars. 

Then you hit them with a “well how about you take that surcharge off the price of the 5th wheel?” If they don’t want the sale at that point you just walk out because there are always other fish in the sea. 

You said you never charge a fee then followed up with saying how you sometimes charge fees... Or are you saying the dealership eats the cost of the loan fee? Which if that is the case, there still is a fee that someone, in your case its your boss, has to pay. 

It’s John Hennessey, if he isn’t lying or scamming you need to check his pulse. 

AC motor swaps are getting to be cheaper, in another 20 years it will be stupid cheap hopefully. 

Ford knows their market for this car, the majority will be old dudes who don’t drive them and don’t want a manual anyways.

Also Ford has a terrible track record with DCT, this one should be interesting. Just because its an expensive car doesn’t mean they will get it right. 

YOU DON’T WANT IT. Ford has a terrible history with these things. It is like all the worst features of a auto and a manual made much worse. 

I don’t see Nissan ever returning to fun, its been 10 years since they had a fun car a normal american could afford. Even their Japanese options are not much better. 

I will say it again, fuck you Ghosn and fuck you “Nissan”. I really wish the name had died out in the early 2000s when it was still genuine. 

The French happened. Ghosn saved Nissan only to murder it by mediocrity a decade later. I would have loved them to go out on the high note of the S Chassis and R34. We could have survived without the Z34 and R35 to be honest. It would have saved us all these fake Japanese cars.

They both look like shit. 

Except Nissan claims they will never have self driving cars in their current radio commercials. Maybe you are right, they are working towards the point that you are begging them to make their lame ass cars drive themselves. 

Ah double post, got you. 

What are you disagreeing with?

That is unfortunate for such a simple discussion. 

Meh, the first thing I saw before I actually stopped and scrolled back up was the Fiat 124. That is not a good thing for BMW. They look nothing alike once you actually look at the Z4 but the brain just kinda fills in the gap with existing cars. 

Except they are the same thing because the end of your statement, prevented death, is the same as saving a life.