While I don't think this rose (or should I say "sunk") to the level of rape, I don't think that this would be norm for most arranged marriages in a medieval society. I would suspect that the average high-born woman would be happy on their wedding day, as most of them would between two people of the same status. …

I disagree. I don't think Reek would have been so shaken by anything that Ramsey does. I think Theon is still in there and Sansa is going to bring him out.

Don't forget the Joffrey had one prostitute beat another one to death with a bed-post while he watched. I think that was a bed-post; it was definitely some sort of big decorated stick.

No one is that beta. Tommen is pure plot device all the way. A three-year-old boy will hit you if attack someone they love. Tommen didn't even have to attack all he to do was cry and Kingsguard would have sprung to action.

I don't think it was rape either, not when looking at the long game or the short game.

So then you are looking at the whole relationship and not that one episode.

Actually I'm more intrigued by how you and others can think this is a rape with no objection from the woman whatsoever and no threat from the would be perpetrator. I'm trying to figure if this is white-knighting or a well thought out, although wrong, ideology. It seems like everybody is reacting purely out of…

You just figured out Ramsey's character was irredeemable last night???

The one that actually has enough money to pay the Iron Bank.

"No. That is just incorrect."

If he exerts violence over you or the threat of violence in a sexual situation then it's rape. A person with power over you can rape you, but its not rape just because he has power over you.

Armchair neuroscience??? I don't need to be a neuroscientist to know that little boys want the be heroes…that they put on capes and pretent to be Superman, Batman, Spiderman etc…that little boys want to be fireman and rescue people from burning buildings, and cops to catch the bad guy. I know that 2 and 3 year old…

I'm debating whether I want him flayed so that he knows how his victims feel, or whether I want Sansa to be the one to take his head because that's the way Starks do it.

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How could you not now that the marriage was going to be consummated if it indeed happened.

Yeah, rape happens when the person doesn't not have the chance to say "no". But Sansa had the chance to say "no", both to the immediate situation and to the overall situation.

Being an asshole isn't rape. Being sadistic isn't rape. Forcing someone to have sex with you in spite of their objections/refusal/struggle/resistance is rape. Having sex with someone who doesn't have sound mind is rape.

"That "consent" is not the absence of "no"?"

The Tyrells

From his point of view there is no way Littlefinger could be Warden of the North without Sansa.