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    It's quite clear that we are at an impasse and will just be going around in circles.

    What you did in my opinion is laudable, but if you had gone with it I would not call it rape assuming, from the way she told you she was peaking, that took the ghb herself looking for a good time.

    All right. This has gone too far off the rails, your perspective is reasonable and I'm mostly in agreement with it, but I will not call people that accept sex from drunk people rapists. That's an insult to everyone who has been raped in my opinion.

    Jesus, I'm talking about anthropology and differences between cultures, not cruising American suburban middle and high schools.

    I'm looking at it from the opposite side. As someone who regularly drinks in social situations, am I comfortable regretting the situation in the morning or feeling violated?

    I have friends who are so radically different drunk and sober that it's like a real life Jekyll and Hyde, that didn't mean they aren't responsible for their actions under the influence.

    Going along with the comparison, we need to decide how young is too young and how intoxicated is too intoxicated.

    Well now we are talking about cultural paradigms for the acceptable age to give consent which is its own complicated philosophical question.

    How is someone not saying yes when they are trying to take your clothes off and fuck you? They might not remember it, they might regret it, but you are consenting to their actions (and likely are not entirely clear headed yourself).

    What is too intoxicated to consent? How do you even define that?

    Seriously? She was throwing herself at him and then forcing herself on him. If he caved to her advances even slightly (which would have been out of character, but completely normal psychology for many men in his situation) and didn't physically restrain her how on earth is that rape on his part?

    I have the premium family plan. It's rather amazing. No ads and I get to share music with 5 of my best friends who pay me back for the tunes in beer.

    Perhaps this movie is about French investigators going after American heroes despite the fact that no investigators went after them?

    Most likely they were from eastern Sweden and were ignorant that their country is fictional.

    Pfft… Everyone knows Finland doesn't exist. It's just a cover for Russia and Japan's secret whaling sea.

    That didn't affect my feelings towards Will. We knew from the beginning that he was a broken man, but a good person at heart. A man doesn't adopt and love a dozen dogs without a good soul. That never changed about him no matter how deep he got sucked into Hannibal's games.

    I thought Will was the protagonist in Hannibal…

    I'm not arguing that Breaking Bad isn't a masterpiece at all. I'm just siding on Jimmy McGill as a better character for a variety of reasons including those cited by the originator of this thread.

    It does detract from that because the majority of people who watched Breaking Bad that I've come across either didn't turn on Walt, took too long to turn on Walt and/or thought he redeemed himself.

    I would agree with you, but everyone I've spoken to in real life and most of what I've read on the internet is of the opinion that Walt is an awesome badass and an antihero.