ass clownish is merely an excuse for bad writing, people need to be engaged with the characters, they need to CARE, not just for the winchesters and their allies, they need to feel a THREAT. Who cares about an angel war with no looming destruction, no one to hate or no one to love?

those were not burn marks of wings, they looked like blood stains, but it seems more like no one gives a rats ass for detail or canon in the show anymore. I know the actors are still engaged, but anyone else, it's a paycheck.

come on, buckner and ross-lemming are the worst writing team this show has ever had, and they barely make it through this episode, clunky concepts, info drops, (and let's not forgive past episodes from this team for racist, sexist, non-con themes) if it wasn't for the performances of Jensen, Jared, Misha and Osric,…

PS, if the promise is broken, it could be with a simple kiss, they didn't have to go into the porn roleplay, which was way out of wack with the rest of the episode.

This episode was written by a woman, so it's interesting how women were typed here. the thing that bothers me is that there wasn't a single person who was shown who was a virgin who was sympathetic or likeable. It's a viable life choice, just as many others, but the heavy handed view of the writer was that you could…

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SPN pulls in a greater viewership all the time, you have to compare apples to apples, small network to large, and SPN is the largest fanbase the CW has ever had. Jared Padalecki is the actor for Sam, Jensen Ackles is the actor for Dean, Misha Collins is the actor for Castiel, and that's why I watch, they are…

No,we don't have crappy writing as an excuse for discussion time, if they bring up elements in the plot that deal with big issues, they need to be dealt with well within the story, or else they get slammed like they should. Writers do read the feedback given on their episodes.

No, dean's speech became about objectification "I like your work' is still, I like you being a porn star'

Actually what was worse, is that the women at the end confess 'I wasn't as strong as I thought I was' wtf mixed message was that?

I disagree, Deans a hedonistic guy, and uses his charm, but he knows when to hold back (Kali) and various times particularly last season when he had to pay attention to Sam and the case, he knew when to stand back, but here his attention is creepy and OC, sure Jensen makes it funny, cos he's that talented, but it…