Exactly…especially common in the "moved to a big city to make it big" world…which is where this show is set.

I don't think it would go that far. It probably won't be mentioned again knowing this show.

I really hope we get to find out if Ray felt violated in any way. He seemed more concerned that it was crossing the lines of their friendship than about it being an assault.

You are not. I like her, too. Do I approve of everything she does? No.

Continued to date someone he thought was shitty and thought he could make her acceptable through sheer force of will?

This.

Many other people do though. I am one. She cracks me up regularly and I don't find her awful. Some of the things she does make me cringe, but…it's a TV show.

I always thought it was supposed to be a joke, that Hannah was serious, but we were all supposed to see it for the 20-something delusion of grandeur it was.

She told that actress in the play she was a great dancer. HAHA

I never understand anyone who watches this show acting like Hannah has never once done anything kind or socially acceptable. She has. They just focus on the other and every article does the same thing.

That is compatibility not chemistry. I was speaking to how the characters interact with each other on an attraction basis.

HAHA…I was also thinking that the closed eyes were an attempt to help the…uh…hardening process.

Yes, she was. And her continuing to bring up Hannah is going to be something interesting to explore.

I think that is what we are all about to find out now that Fran is out of the picture.

She didn't dump him. He wanted her back when she was already in a relationship with Fran. That is not the same thing.

Again, Hannah has not insisted on ANYTHING. She has simply been upset. Furthermore, it is yet to be determined if she no longer loves Adam.

You always seem to want to approach this from the point of view that if you were Hannah you wouldn't care. What if you were Jessa and your actions were hurting your long term friend?

Actually I think Hannah would find the reverse of the flashing scene just as funny and harmless as she found her own actions. She clearly has a different sensibility about nudity than most of the other characters.

I.E. you think Jessa is more attractive. Adam has never looked at Jessa the way he looked at Hannah or acted like he couldn't get enough of her like he used to do with Hannah. Aside from that first kiss at the wedding it has looked rather detached. And that first kiss? Prompted by seeing Hannah.

And "as we've been seeing her lately" was out of character for the four seasons worth of Jessa we had already seen. No other character has been shown to have changed that much. It was like this weird over-romanticized relationship bubble they wrote Adam and Jessa into. And that bubble has burst…helped along by Hannah…