Patrick worked for Kevin. They didn't need to cheat. If Kevin wanted to be with Patrick he could have broken up with Jon, before he moved to San Francisco. Kevin SAID they got together because of the cheating, but that didn't need to be the case. They were in each others daily lives before they cheated and before Jon…

We don't know that he did stay, though. The scene cuts from Patrick finding the escapulario to him walking down the street to Richie's barber shop the next morning. But him telling Richie he doesn't want to talk, he's all talked out, would suggest that he's leaving Kevin. At least to me.

Kevin doesn't want an open relationship, he wants to not feel guilty about cheating. It's pretty obvious from the things he said during the argument

And I see Kevin as being someone who is never happy with what he has so he looks elsewhere and has a good explanation for why he strays. Since he wasn't planning on being forthcoming with Patrick, he doesn't get a pass from me for doing it when cornered about his wandering ways.

Maybe Kevin approaches life with fear and ignorance. Or fear and arrogance. I can't remember because I'm a hayseed.

I guess I'm not on board with saying somehow Patrick was "stupid" for assuming things that Kevin very heavily implied.

OT, but there's a Raul Castillo doppelganger who works at my local Whole Foods. Only taller. It takes all my willpower not to run my fingers through his hair.

Actually, I think Patrick's in a place where he can finally become the man he wants to be. He's not in a relationship, but that's not what Patrick needed. That was going to come about after he dropped all the baggage he'd built up about who he thinks he needs to be to please everyone but himself.

Maybe not, but glossing over the very deep Asian culture in San Francisco is cutting out a huge part of the city's identity.

He wore the blue smock in the season 1 finale.

Thanks. And that makes Kevin's "little oversight" about his inability to remain faithful, and not even considering massages with happy endings as cheating, more glaring.

In his mind he was. He allowed Agustin to convince him that Richie was through with him. Patrick was vulnerable when he fooled around with Kevin that first night, but in his mind, he was were broken up with Richie. It's why he was both so shocked to see Richie waiting for him and broke down crying when Richie left.

Kevin said, in this exact episode, that he didn't want to repeat the mistakes he made with Jon, and explicitly talked about his own cheating. So, yes, his cheating sank his relationship with Jon because he was already in a relationship with a man who wanted monogamy and he lied until he couldn't lie anymore.

Except Patrick thought, for whatever reason, that he and Richie were broken up and Kevin kept telling Patrick what he wanted to hear, which was that Patrick wasn't like Jon. Kevin did the hard sell on Patrick, so he should have known that Patrick wanted a monogamous, exclusive relationship.

I don't know if Richie was accommodating as much as he was at work when Patrick called.

That's how I always heard it and never thought it was the other way around. Mostly because it was Jeri Blank and she's a user, a boozer and a loser. :)

Not contradictory at all. Cersei is one of my favorite characters on TV right now, and I will always have a fondness for Debra Morgan on Dexter.

Except people throughout this thread have been using it as proof that I'm wrong and the timetable has only been since September.

True. But it's probably better to come prepared with the tear-aways than the 100 pound ball gowns for these situations.

I can believe she plays better live than the TV version, at least for now. I don't dislike her, I'm just not sure her style of drag is going to carry her through the season. Although, Florida pageant queens have a good record of making the final three.