Christ, do some googling yourself. “45 bullets a second”, oh really? Please, link evidence for that claim.

Yes, they do, and due process is a big thing in all of them. This plan lacks any due process protection:

You realize the Democrats voted one down too, right?

If you deny it outright, there’s (basically) no way to get off the list, innocent or not, so it’s a slam-dunk due-process case that ends with the government paying for a civil rights attorney’s new boat.

And if the GOP wins, supporting BLM could get you on there too. Still feel good about it?

Regardless, it’s a shitty plan, unconstitutional (as is the no-fly-list, IMO a bigger concern), and quite frankly, I’m embarrassed that “my” party keeps putting forth such bullshit. Whatever happened to the Left that was a defender of due process for the accused, didn’t believe in profiling, and wanted oversight of LE…

So why didn’t they pass a restriction (like the one the NRA agreed to today) when it was proposed a few months ago?

And the Democrats voted another version down shortly thereafter.

No, the GOP blocked a bill that would be a flat, un-appealable denial to those on the list. The Democrats blocked the bill that would delay and investigate. If you want a denial, neither side smells of roses here.

If the Dems have been trying *for years*, why did they vote down a similar proposal before this one (delay + investigate vs flat denial)?

I’m more interested in the Super Duke with a tow hitch.

The appropriate LEO agency is the BATFE; they usually at least investigate bad-actor FFLs. Sadly, local police could usually not care less about such things.

The instant check does check all US states, checks for disqualifying crimes, DV convictions, ROs, the sex offender registry should be covered by “felons” (are there registerable misdemeanors?). It only lacks your waiting period and training.

That’s one thing I never quite got in the US; overseas nearly everywhere I go (largely Asia/S. America) has a canteen/cafeteria/etc for the workers. Quality of course varies, but they’re usually at least ok. I’ve worked at one place in the US that had this, and it was expensive, shitty, and run by Sodexho (makers of…

And you reported that shop to the police, right? Because you both committed a couple felonies by doing that. But don’t worry, the government never prosecutes anyone for those (including people who do it on national fucking television). The FFL would also lose their license (which is the only thing that ever seems to…

How is the background check “bullshit”? If she was a prohibited person, she’d have (presumably) failed, and it would also (hopefully) have been noted in the article. She was legally allowed to buy a gun, and did so.

Fair enough, and IMO including suicide/accidents is the right thing to do, when discussing legislative approaches (as you have to consider the effects on things other than homicide, even when targeting it).

Yes, you’re using firearms homicide now, not total firearms deaths as you originally claimed. Pick a damned statistic and use it consistently. Either total firearms deaths, firearms murders, or total murders. Ratios are ~10:1, ~50:1 and ~4:1, US:Germany. None of these match the numbers in your first post.

They’re including suicides and accidents in that number, which is why it appears so high.

Then you got the German rate wrong. You used the total American rate + the German murder rate. The facts are bad enough, don’t distort them.