Dull (cars I have driven): 2017 S6, 2017 F80 340i manual.  Steering is lifeless, not very accurate.

Numbers don’t always translate into real-world handling differences that you can feel. Also, “crossover” and “CUV” are nonsensical terms that has zero specific defining character, yet some people automatically write off a vehicle if it’s labeled/marketed as a crossover/CUV.

Also, they sold their soul by trading excellent steering for something that’s easy and numb for the non-enthusiast luxury buyer. Exactly as you say, there’s nothing left but brand recognition.

Many of today’s sedans/wagons are not better than a modern crossover/CUV to drive.

I think you hit the nail on the head — it’s “supposed” to be great, so everyone is supposed to love it. I bet it would shine on a track. In reality,  most are meant for public streets and the 718 is just not standing out.

I am pretty sure you haven’t had driven an R3 much, so I bet your frame of reference was different.

The R3 was better because: 1, revving to 9,000 rpm never gets old, and 2, it has usable back seats (but weighs the same). The handling was similar, though I’d actually give the R3 the edge.

Have you driven one? 

I had an F30 340i M Sport Manual I bought new (2017 MY).

Seeing the GTI on here reminded me of another German car.  The 718 Cayman was probably the most disappointing test drive I have ever had. I was hoping for an upgrade from an RX-8 R3. I actually didn’t mind the 4-banger sound, as it was the first mid-engine car I have ever driven and hearing the engine behind my ears…

well, SOMEBODY has to buy that new car to give you a (slightly) used one later ...

Your link seems to link to the article and not your specific post?

I don’t know? Usually the hardest thing to get over is the initial cost, which is much higher for an EV still. But I haven’t done any research so you may be right.

Well, used cars changes the rules because you can (almost) always find a used “X” that’s better than a new “Y”.  But yes, a used something will be more economical to get into.

Not sure that’s a thing, EV owners are often more interested in battery life and try to follow the “20-80" rule and don’t keep their battery at 80% every day, but rather try to charge when they are down to 20 anyway.

Great points. However, this, for me personally, is the first time an EV (and I am not talking about expensive toys like the Taycan) has made me feel I am ready to make the switch. IMO it has the right mix of low environmental impact and attributes that just make it a good car to drive. But I understand I am an “n” of…

I am clearly in the minority here, but I actually care about the environmental impact, I am comfortable enough to keep paying taxes on a “backup” ICE vehicle (zero emissions if you don’t drive it?), and I like the ability to charge it at night, have a much lower initial hit on the environment with the smaller battery,…

Is that numb BMW steering any better this time around?

Ft Lauderdale maybe 4 years ago. Made the wife get her phone out while I screamed.

These iPads on wheels need some Otterbox case or something?? And some protection film for the glass room flying off?